Outsourcing
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die_kluge said:
It's the same over here in Europe. I'm at a medium sized telco here, and the big outsouring firms are promising (including IBM) big reductions in IT-speding by outsourcing. It is not uncommon to hear figures like 25 % reduced cost, and as a CIO its hard to say no to that.
We're still evaluating the offers, and have not decided yet if we're going for it. Even though my own job is pretty secure (too close to the CIO and CTO to be first in line) I'm crossing my fingers for a solution without big layoffs.
.Ziggy
Psion
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There have been articles in the IEEE magazines in general about a lot of engineering jobs moving overseas... which is rather disheartening. I am not worried about my current job (can't effectively be outsourced), but it sure puts a damper on my prospects of moving soon and finding a job elsewhere. I really feel for you folks that have actually been displaced by this.
MrFilthyIke
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Psion said:
My situation is not engineering, but in a bad shape.
I work for one of the big 3 US airlines, and there has been no
good news here for 2 years now. Thousands laid off, departments
sent off-shore to India and the Manila, benefits gutted...I basically
work to pay the rent now.
Anyone know of a good job for a guy with a BA in Anthropology
and alot of creativity (besides flippin' burgers)?
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der_kluge
Adventurer
MrFilthyIke said:My situation is not engineering, but in a bad shape.
I work for one of the big 3 US airlines, and there has been no
good news here for 2 years now. Thousands laid off, departments
sent off-shore to India and the Manila, benefits gutted...I basically
work to pay the rent now.
Anyone know of a good job for a guy with a BA in Anthropology
and alot of creativity (besides flippin' burgers)?
According to the websites I visit, you can make thousands of dollars a month by SHOPPING!
Good grief.
MrFilthyIke
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die_kluge said:According to the websites I visit, you can make thousands of dollars a month by SHOPPING!
Good grief.
A scam even sounds good right now
My wife was the luckiest...she got paid to run D&D at the
WotC store in Miami when she worked there (before it
closed down).
der_kluge
Adventurer
MrFilthyIke said:A scam even sounds good right now
My wife was the luckiest...she got paid to run D&D at the
WotC store in Miami when she worked there (before it
closed down).
That thought crossed my mind. I was thinking that if I could get everyone in my group to chip in about $10,000 a year, I could just DM for a living. I doubt they'll be too into that idea, though.
Utrecht
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My sympathies - and The big telco in Overland Park is never fun to deal with - they change their directions about every other month - Thank god they are not my customer anymore.
I do not know if my story will help anyone or not. In 2000 I joined a leadership company in the CRM (Customer Relationship Management) Space as a Project Manager - Shortly thereafter we were bought by Nortel fo over 2 Billion dollars. Nortel through a combination of poor managment and miserable economy managed to drive our division into the ground - so much so that they sold us for 200 Million - less than 10 cents on the dollar to a Telecommunications Billing Provider (who happens to do all of Sprints billing) - one of their primary models is to do as much off shore development as possible (Cyprus, Czech Rep being two main sites)
Originally, the Denver office had over 40 consultants - now we have 2 - myself and one other - and I firmly beleive that the biggest reason for my success was not that I was the best Project Manager, the best Programer or the best Analyst - but because I had the best people skills.
Early on in my employment - I saw that outsoucing/offshoring was a possability - many of our customers did it - thus, I focused by skill sets on being the people facing individual - figuring that no matter how skilled people in XYZ country were, my company would still need someone to interface with customers.
Thus far I have been served well by my decision - and I am constantly on the look out for learning opportunities that move my skills up the value chain (like ROI analysis, IT planning, etc) - and ensuring that I am an expert in those activities that require human interactions.
So in summary, I would leave you with this - often times it is not the best and the brightest that survive - but those whose attitude is the best and who well with others.
I do not know if my story will help anyone or not. In 2000 I joined a leadership company in the CRM (Customer Relationship Management) Space as a Project Manager - Shortly thereafter we were bought by Nortel fo over 2 Billion dollars. Nortel through a combination of poor managment and miserable economy managed to drive our division into the ground - so much so that they sold us for 200 Million - less than 10 cents on the dollar to a Telecommunications Billing Provider (who happens to do all of Sprints billing) - one of their primary models is to do as much off shore development as possible (Cyprus, Czech Rep being two main sites)
Originally, the Denver office had over 40 consultants - now we have 2 - myself and one other - and I firmly beleive that the biggest reason for my success was not that I was the best Project Manager, the best Programer or the best Analyst - but because I had the best people skills.
Early on in my employment - I saw that outsoucing/offshoring was a possability - many of our customers did it - thus, I focused by skill sets on being the people facing individual - figuring that no matter how skilled people in XYZ country were, my company would still need someone to interface with customers.
Thus far I have been served well by my decision - and I am constantly on the look out for learning opportunities that move my skills up the value chain (like ROI analysis, IT planning, etc) - and ensuring that I am an expert in those activities that require human interactions.
So in summary, I would leave you with this - often times it is not the best and the brightest that survive - but those whose attitude is the best and who well with others.
Utrecht
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Oh, and the other piece of advice (probably much more usefull than my last rambling)
Get your finances in order if you feel that there is even a chance of being laid off. Reduce expenses, budget and overall exhibit rational finances. This will do a couple of things:
1) If you are laid off, the hit is not nearly as bad
2) If you are not laid off, you can start to build a rainy day fund.
Get your finances in order if you feel that there is even a chance of being laid off. Reduce expenses, budget and overall exhibit rational finances. This will do a couple of things:
1) If you are laid off, the hit is not nearly as bad
2) If you are not laid off, you can start to build a rainy day fund.
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