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[Mouseferatu]

Then you fail to understand my motivation. I am not trying to "punish" WotC. I am not "boycotting" WotC. No more so than saying I am punishing or boycotting, say, the State of Illinois simply because it's not a place I want to be.

I am buying Paizo's products. I am buying other companies products. I spend money on items of interest to me. This 3.75 interests me. I will buy it. If you or Ari think I am buying it to punish WotC, then you're living in a very different world than I.

Well...

When WotC ditched Dragon, I swore on that day that I'd never buy another WotC publication. Said it here, said it to my friends, said it to the owners of both of my FLGSs.

I'm sorry, but that's a boycott.

If you'd said "I'm not buying anything of theirs now, and I don't expect much of what they're doing will appeal to me," that would be more in line with the notion of simply not buying what doesn't appeal to you.

But to swear you'll never again buy a company's product because of one particular action they took, to not even allow for the possibility that they could win you back by publishing something more to your liking--that's a boycott. It may be one that's justifiable for you, and that's fine; the fact that I think it's an overreaction doesn't mean you have to agree with me. But it is, indeed, a boycott of the company.

 

[The Little Raven]

I spend money on items of interest to me.

This makes sense to me.

And I also decided that day that I'd support Paizo in any endeavor, regardless of whether I liked the product or not.

This does not, because it strongly implies that you will spend money on items that don't interest you, simply because they're made by Paizo.

If you or Ari think I am buying it to punish WotC, then you're living in a very different world than I.

They're just going by what you've said in your post.

When WotC ditched Dragon, I swore on that day that I'd never buy another WotC publication.

This is a statement that strongly implies you will not by WotC products simply in retaliation for their cancellation of Dragon, rather than interest, or lack thereof, in products.

 

[thatdarnedbob]

LOL. Please send me your home address.

--Erik Mona
Publisher
Paizo Publishing, LLC

You probably have it already; I've certainly ordered enough Pathfinder/Gamemastery products from your site. But if not, I'll place a topic on your site's Customer Service board to help you out a bit.

Note to self: buy lots more gamemastery to avoid the sock.
Edit: this can also be accomplished with the Necromancer adventure path, it seems.

 

[Greylock]

Once upon a time, I bought anything Green Ronin put out. Simply because it was GR. I supported them. I liked them. I always took a chance, and always ended up liking the books. Until they started down the True20 path. Now I don't buy Green Ronin. Does that mean I'm boycotting them, too?

<------ Needs to start a list.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Now I don't buy Green Ronin. Does that mean I'm boycotting them, too?

Not buying != boycotting.

Swearing you'll never buy under any circumstances, especially when based on one specific business decision = boycotting.

See the difference? If you'd just said "I haven't bought anything WotC produced since the license reverted," we wouldn't be having this conversation. But swearing you never will under any circumstances? Especially when said "oath" wasn't inspired by anything relating to the specific products being produced by the company, but rather by a corporate decision? Yeah. Boycott.

Again, not saying it's wrong, or evil. But it is what it is.

 

[The Little Raven]

boycott

Main Entry:
boy·cott Listen to the pronunciation of boycott
Pronunciation:
\ˈbȯi-ˌkät\
Function:
transitive verb
Etymology:
Charles C. Boycott died 1897 English land agent in Ireland who was ostracized for refusing to reduce rents
Date:
1880

: to engage in a concerted refusal to have dealings with (as a person, store, or organization) usually to express disapproval or to force acceptance of certain conditions

"When WotC ditched Dragon, I swore on that day that I'd never buy another WotC publication." is outright stating that you are conducting a boycott of WotC.

 

[xechnao]

EDIT: Sorry I was agreeing with you but being snarky.

The issue is how much does 4E take from the SRD/OGL, anything that's covered in the OGL is still there, even if it's also in the GSL. There just seem to be some minor changes that could easily be derived from OGL material that are 4E.

Why is this the issue? Are you talking about using the OGL to make a 4e rules like product? You do not even need the OGL to do that. You just would need the GSL logo (if there will be such a thing) to market your compatibility with D&D 4e.

Second Wind is in Star Wars Saga, but that's not OGL.

Second wind is in D20 modern too (tough guy talent).

 

[Jeff Wilder]

"When WotC ditched Dragon, I swore on that day that I'd never buy another WotC publication." is outright stating that you are conducting a boycott of WotC.

No, it's not. Look up "concerted." So far as I can tell, a single consumer can't actually boycott anything ... it takes some form of organization among two or more consumers. (As a side note, I've used "concerted" wrong in the past, intending a near synonym for "determined" or "focused." Live and learn.)

That said, I agree that what the poster described is the "single-consumer equivalent" of boycott. Anybody know a word for that? All I can think of is "coercive" (or in this case "punitive") consumerism. "Dollar voting" seems to apply.

Oh, and to save you the time:

Main Entry: con·cert·ed
Pronunciation: \kən-ˈsər-təd\
Function: adjective
Date: 1706

1 a: mutually contrived or agreed on <a concerted effort> b: performed in unison <concerted artillery fire>
2: arranged in parts for several voices or instruments
— con·cert·ed·ly adverb
— con·cert·ed·ness noun

This pedantry brought to you by the letter C!

 

[xechnao]

Lizard, I generally agree with all your past points but this one I dont. Maybe you didnt mean to go as far as you did here.

I absolultely think it is 100% up in the air what will and wont be allowed under the GSL. I dont know if it will let me do Tome. I dont know if it will let me do Adventure Paths. I dont know if it will let me do my Advanced Player's Guide. I THINK it will let me do all 3, but to say "they've made it very clear what the GSL will be and what it wont allow" is not true. Now, that said, I think you mean they have made it clear ONE thing you wont be able to do is a standalone game that doesnt refer back to the core books, like say Mutants and Masterminds. But aside from that, we have no freaking clue what the GSL will allow or not allow. I do agree it will be more restrictive than the OGL, which essentailly had no restrictions.

Well it makes some sense what to suspect from the GSL regarding how 4e is made and the product line Wotc has already announced.

With GSL the only 4e rule additions I can see are talent paths on existing classes, magic items, equipment, fluff and encounters. No new classes or races for example. In the encounter field I can see monster design -so hopefully ToH would be ok for 4e- of course supposedly GSL actually does come out and tries to be as open as it can be.

 

[Mouseferatu]

This pedantry brought to you by the letter C!

Well, if we're being pedantic*, I'd point out that I don't know what source Mourn was quoting, but both Dictionary.com and Webster's New World Dictionary include definitions of boycotting that don't require multiple participants or make use of any terms such as "concerned."

*And this being Teh Interwebs, of course we are.