Pathfinder on the bookstore shelves? Forked Thread: The 3.5 renaissance!

[cangrejoide]

So while I agree, Pathfinder could stand to take a lions share of gamers who play 4e if 4e goes under (and I dissagree with your gut feeling) I don't think it will ever have the recognition that D&D has... Or that Whitewolf games have.

If 4e went down and somehow all my books dissapeared and the notion of a 5E would be considered apocrypha by the Theocracy, I would not turn to pathfinder as an alternative. If anything I would dust off my Rules Cyclopedia or would go with an alternate system conversion.

Just because they are the second biggest company that publishes in the tabletop roleplaying game industry

Are they really? where are the numbers/facts to back this up?

I know, I know, it sounds crazy, but I think it can happen if WOTC gets out of the tabletop RPG market, like I have a gut feeling will happen. All Paizo needs to do is get enough market presence now to pick up the marketshare later.

Nope, someone else will buy the D&D license and produce 5e/6e/7e.

From Paizo's perspective, they don't have to "win the D&D war" to be a hit

Yup, all they neeed is set up a core loyal fan base and then ride the gravy train, this same model has worked for Siembieda for the last 15 years.

Now, it would be interesting to hear whether they do plan to target bookstores or not when they release.

But would this be feasible? I think they make more money from their online store and subscription model.

I hope everybody is a success. This bickering over which system everyone should play, is just hurting the hobby. We are a small enough niche as it is. We don't need to fight over editions and game systems. If you like something, play it. If don't, play something else. But dedicating your life to eradicating a system you don't prefer is beyond sad, and it has the potential to disuade people purchasing them. Which hurts all of us.

The same edition wars sprung whenever a new edition is introduced. Nothing new here, and the market has never been damaged by this. You can say its all good clean fun.


Pathfinder has the same chance to succeed as any other heartbreaker out there, only difference Pathfinder already has a core group of loyal fans.

 

[Jeff Wilder]

The same edition wars sprung whenever a new edition is introduced. Nothing new here, and the market has never been damaged by this.

If you think the split between 3E and 4E is the "same edition wars," I have to question your credibility. The circumstances are vastly different in several ways. The fallout thus far has been vastly different, also.

 

[cangrejoide]

If you think the split between 3E and 4E is the "same edition wars," I have to question your credibility. The circumstances are vastly different in several ways. The fallout thus far has been vastly different, also.

Besides the OGL, what else is different?

Can you expand more on how the fallout has been vastly different?

(As for my credibility I have as much as any other random anonymous poster on a web forum.)

 

[Jeff Wilder]

Besides the OGl, what else is different?

"Yes, Mrs. Lincoln, but aside from that, how was the play?"

Can you expand more on how the fallout has been vastly different?

Even if one takes the most 4E-favorable results from various unscientific polls around the web, 4E D&D has lost a huge chunk of its audience, much of which is staying with 3.5 or 3.5 derivatives. This simply didn't happen, for instance, with the change from 2E to 3E.

With the existence of the internet, the existence of options is dessiminated to a much wider audience. The entrenchment of opposition to 4E is greater, both because of the existence of real options (like a continued audience for 3.5), and because entrenchment occurs when quarrels occur, and the internet facilitates quarreling like no other invention in the history of the universe.

And so on. This is only the most basic stuff, and not even all of that.

(As for my credibility I have as much as any other random anonymous poster on a web forum.)

(Not anymore.)

 

[cangrejoide]

"Yes, Mrs. Lincoln, but aside from that, how was the play?"

Yeah because OGL killed the prospects of 4E and 5E and any other further editions for the foreseable future.

"Even if one takes the most 4E-favorable results from various unscientific polls around the web, 4E D&D has lost a huge chunk of its audience, much of which is staying with 3.5 or 3.5 derivatives. This simply didn't happen, for instance, with the change from 2E to 3E.?"

Yeah, because Forum polls from self selecting samples = Hard Market data.

"With the existence of the internet, the existence of options is dessiminated to a much wider audience. The entrenchment of opposition to 4E is greater, both because of the existence of real options (like a continued audience for 3.5), and because entrenchment occurs when quarrels occur, and the internet facilitates quarreling like no other invention in the history of the universe.

And so on. This is only the most basic stuff, and not even all of that.

(Not anymore.)

So you mean to say that the internet did not exist back when 3E came out? Not even a rec.rpg.group before that?

(Not anymore.)

Wow, just when I was begining to think anonimity granted me credibility and respect from all my other anonymous peers.

 

[Jeff Wilder]

[Attempts at sarcasm deleted for befuddlement reasons.]

I recognize that you're trying to be cutting, but I honestly have no idea what your point is, so I'll move on.

So you mean to say that the internet did not exist back when 3E came out?

Like it does now, when my mom may literally be the only human being in the United States of America without regular access to pretty much unlimited information? Yes, that's what I mean to say. The internet has technically existed since at least the mid-70s. Its development and growth between 2000 and 2009 has been at least 50 times what it was between its creation and 1999. (Depending on how you measure.) HERE you go.

Wow, just when I was begining to think anonimity granted me credibility and respect from all my other anonymous peers.

I'm guessing this is another odd attempt at sarcasm. Are you honestly under the impression that anonymity -- as it exists, e.g., on EN World -- prevents one from gaining (or losing) credibility or respect? If so, that's quite an interesting point of view.

 

[BryonD]

Yeah, because Forum polls from self selecting samples = Hard Market data.

Of course not!!!!!
Everyone knows that the best hard market data is found under the sand. Just stick your head in and there it is!!

 

[BryonD]

Pathfinder will not replace D&D. Ever.

Pathfinder may be much more successful FOR PAIZO than future D&D is FOR WOTC. But the scale difference is vast.

 

[cangrejoide]

I recognize that you're trying to be cutting, but I honestly have no idea what your point is, so I'll move on.

Heh and here I thought that was you equating a killing bullet with the OGL.

Like it does now, when my mom may literally be the only human being in the United States of America without regular access to pretty much unlimited information? Yes, that's what I mean to say. The internet has technically existed since at least the mid-70s. Its development and growth between 2000 and 2009 has been at least 50 times what it was between its creation and 1999. (Depending on how you measure.) HERE you go. .

Maybe you should revisit ( by the wayback machine) ENworld back then a re-read all the hate posts and self selecting sample polls. Heck even try to find the old Wizards forums posts regarding 3e. I see no big difference from what I see now.

I'm guessing this is another odd attempt at sarcasm. Are you honestly under the impression that anonymity -- as it exists, e.g., on EN World -- prevents one from gaining (or losing) credibility or respect? If so, that's quite an interesting point of view.

No, whats really interesting is questioning posters credibility just because they have different opinions.

Lets just agree to disagree, I say that this is no different from any other edition wars and you can disagree all you want.

 

[cangrejoide]

Pathfinder will not replace D&D. Ever.

Pathfinder may be much more successful FOR PAIZO than future D&D is FOR WOTC. But the scale difference is vast.

I concurr, Pathfinder maybe the best thing that has happened to Paizo and it may actually keep em alive and well in the business for a long time. As for replacing D&D , there is no chance. And even if 4E tanked, then there will be 5e and so on and so forth.