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[joethelawyer]

Actually, I believe the main reason it's less expensive than the other two is that it's a single book. It's a BIGGER book, for sure, but it's generally less expensive to print and ship a single book than it is to do two books (although more expensive in both counts when compared to a single book). And on top of that, we ARE trying to keep the price as low as possible since it is indeed going to be the primary entry point into what Paizo's publishing pretty soon.

Frankly, after seeing how big this book's going to be, it's easy to see why D&D splits the stuff into two separate volumes traditionally!

I have a special request James. Is there any way you can print the books on the same paper and with the same binding and font as the 1st edition PHB and DMG? Or at least find a way to have the Pathfinder book have the same SMELL as those books? There's something about the smell of those books that just brings to mind the best memories ever...

Plus those books lasted forever. 30 years old and look the same as when they were 5 yrs old. Whereas my 2e books are in tatters.

But the more I think about it, the more I think a special edition commemorating 1e by printing PF in the same font, print, paper, style, binding, etc, would sell very well. Replace the art with 1e style B&W stuff, old school style, but with all the PF content. That would be cool as hell.

 

[catsclaw227]

Frankly, after seeing how big this book's going to be, it's easy to see why D&D splits the stuff into two separate volumes traditionally!

Is there already a discussion going on about the pros and cons of splitting the volume into two? And is it a possibility that it might happen?

 

[Stalker0]

We're currently in the high-level play portion of the open playtest of the Pathfinder RPG; while we've been gathering feedback on how best to address the problems with high-level play this whole time, it wasn't until the start of last week that we really opened the issue up for public discussion over at the Paizo messageboards.

Great advertisement, except you didn't post a link to those messageboards!! Never underestimate the importance of convenience

While I've been playing 4e, I have been watching the beta. Just like 4e, it has its pluses and minuses.

I think the flavor of the revamp classes is very good, and they definitely fixed some high level magic, but I think its still just an alternate 3.5. The fundamental "issues" with 3.5 are still there, but they have done some very good work with enhancing what 3.5 already does well.

Still, I think 50 bucks is reasonable for such a large book, though I might recommend a player only pdf or something so those without the big wallets can own a copy that contains just the player info or something.

 

[James Jacobs]

But the more I think about it, the more I think a special edition commemorating 1e by printing PF in the same font, print, paper, style, binding, etc, would sell very well. Replace the art with 1e style B&W stuff, old school style, but with all the PF content. That would be cool as hell.

This is an amusing and interesting idea. Of course, in the 30 or so years since those 1E books were published, the world's gone through a LOT of changes. I honestly don't even know if using the same paper stock and binding as those older books is even possible. It's certainly not something that we'll be doing for the PF RPG's release, since the actual binding and paper stock is as much a function of what printer we choose to use as it is to anything else... plus the book's going to be in full color, and I'm not sure the paper stock in those old 1E books is a good choice for color printing.

 

[James Jacobs]

Is there already a discussion going on about the pros and cons of splitting the volume into two? And is it a possibility that it might happen?

No discussion; it's pretty much set in stone at this point that the book will be only one book—the attraction of having the core rules in one book that's less expensive than two books is pretty alluring, after all.

I suppose it's possible that we might do something crazy with a reprint some day, but for now, the PF RPG is one big book.

 

[James Jacobs]

Great advertisement, except you didn't post a link to those messageboards!! Never underestimate the importance of convenience

Good point!

The high level PF RPG playtest board can be found here.

 

[joethelawyer]

This is an amusing and interesting idea. Of course, in the 30 or so years since those 1E books were published, the world's gone through a LOT of changes. I honestly don't even know if using the same paper stock and binding as those older books is even possible. It's certainly not something that we'll be doing for the PF RPG's release, since the actual binding and paper stock is as much a function of what printer we choose to use as it is to anything else... plus the book's going to be in full color, and I'm not sure the paper stock in those old 1E books is a good choice for color printing.

What a great way to pay homage to our roots, as the game takes off in an exciting new direction with Pathfinder.

I doubt color would work with that paper, but even more reason to make the new artwork B&W sketches in the same style of the original 1e books. And I guaran-damn-tee you, it would sell in the thousands, if it were possible to get the old paper, font, layout, style, format, etc.

If you do make such a book, shoot me a free copy for the idea.

 

[Treebore]

James,

I wish Paizo luck on revamping high level play in 3E. I don't see how you can do it without rewriting and restructuring the game from level one on up since most of the problems with high level play start with the power structure built from level one.

If you keep the book at $50 I'll buy it even though I don't intend on ever playing 3E again.

 

[Filcher]

This was my thought too ... but maybe they'll pull off the impossible. I hope so, at least.

$50 is a steal, for a tome this size, but tough to budget for when we need 3 or more at any give table.

 

[w_earle_wheeler]

we'll probably not have the deity names in the cleric section be open content, but who knows?

It would be cool if you did have an open content setting though. Of course, I understand that you don't want some schlub publisher putting out "The Secret Furry Lifestyles of the Pathfinder Gawds" but it would still be a cool option.

The open setting, not the aforementioned book.