PC, Xbox 360 or PS3?

[Vocenoctum]

Yes, I'm sure that Microsoft a company that never does anything without a reason, tripled the length of their warranty and set aside 5 BILLION dollars to cover those costs, did it for no other reason than the goodness of their black, soulless hearts. After countless reports in the tech community, media and the internet of 360's dying like flies.

I've heard of absolutely nothing similar for the PS3, aside from a single spurious report that the new 40 gig models had high return rates, that proved to have no basis in fact. Nor has Sony done anything to extend the warranty on the PS3.

Do the math. One console has a problem. The other doesn't. You can talk about "We don't know the exact return rates" all you like, but the hard cold economic facts say otherwise.

Seriously, did you read what I wrote?
The 360 has a lot more hardware failures than the PS3, but by no means is the PS3 failure proof. I guess if you dismiss the folks that had problems with the PS3's due to Madden & CoD4, then we can say it's error free.

If what you read when I say that is "the 360 doesn't have any problems, the PS3 is no better" like your response reads, that's not what I said. I just don't like when folks gloss over reports of problems with PS3's like they don't exist.

Sure, I'm going by forums/ blogs and such. Hence why I said that there are no published return rates/ defective rates for either console.

(I assume Wii's work great, though the Mario glitchs are amusing in and of themselves.)

 

[Mallus]

The 360 has a lot more hardware failures than the PS3

Yes.

but by no means is the PS3 failure proof.

No on here said or implied that it was. All they did say was that it's a more reliable piece of hardware (and that Microsoft has publicly admitted that their console is not).

 

[Rackhir]

Seriously, did you read what I wrote?
The 360 has a lot more hardware failures than the PS3, but by no means is the PS3 failure proof. I guess if you dismiss the folks that had problems with the PS3's due to Madden & CoD4, then we can say it's error free.

I've paid at least as much attention to what you've said as you've bothered to pay attention to what everyone else has been saying and to the hard cold facts of reality. Nobody has claimed the PS3 never breaks down or never has any problems. However you keep trying to imply that there is some similarity between the failure rates for the PS3 (Less than 5% from what I have seen in reports on the failure rates for the PS3) to the extremely high failure rates of the 360 (as high as 25-33%) with numerous reports of people having multiple consoles fail on them in a few months. Since math doesn't seem to be your strong point, that is AT LEAST 5 times the failure rate for the 360 when compared to that for the PS3.

If what you read when I say that is "the 360 doesn't have any problems, the PS3 is no better" like your response reads, that's not what I said. I just don't like when folks gloss over reports of problems with PS3's like they don't exist.

Sure, I'm going by forums/ blogs and such. Hence why I said that there are no published return rates/ defective rates for either console.

I have seen failure rates published. While they aren't precise down to the last tenth of a percentage, the order of magnitude is quite clear and the failure rates for the 360 are several times that of the PS3.

Does Microsoft setting aside A BILLION DOLLARS (sorry I was mistaken earlier it was ONLY a BILLION Dollars) to cover the cost of repairs and replacements not indicate to you that there are some serious problems with the 360?

Try reading this for your "non-existant" failure rates.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/06/microsoft_red_ring_death_charge/

 

[Hypersmurf]

Gentlemen.

Please watch the tone - keep it civil, without the "You can't read" snark.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

 

[Arnwyn]

It just doesn't get as much press when a PS3 bricks due to playing the latest game. It happens. I've never seen accurate failure rates for either system, so saying one is very reliable has no basis. We simply don't know.

Of course "it happens". Thankfully, that part is not up for debate.

The two systems are orders of magnitude apart when it comes to failure rates - and there is by far enough evidence to show that thanks to the massive variety of tech and media reports. I reiterate: when comparing the two, the PS3 is reliable, the 360 is not. *shrug* It is what it is.

 

[SnowRaven]

I've paid at least as much attention to what you've said as you've bothered to pay attention to what everyone else has been saying and to the hard cold facts of reality. Nobody has claimed the PS3 never breaks down or never has any problems. However you keep trying to imply that there is some similarity between the failure rates for the PS3

Actually, it looked like the dispute was between the statement that the PS3 is very reliable vs the statement that the PS3 is more reliable than a 360. When he says "a PS3 is more reliable than a 360, but that doesn't mean the PS3 is reliable", countering with "the PS3 is more reliable than the 360, everyone knows that!" doesn't dispute the actual statement.

And, 5% is more than "aside from a single spurious report that the new 40 gig models had high return rates, that proved to have no basis in fact." No point in glossing over the failures of the PS3.

 

[Rackhir]

Actually, it looked like the dispute was between the statement that the PS3 is very reliable vs the statement that the PS3 is more reliable than a 360. When he says "a PS3 is more reliable than a 360, but that doesn't mean the PS3 is reliable", countering with "the PS3 is more reliable than the 360, everyone knows that!" doesn't dispute the actual statement.

And, 5% is more than "aside from a single spurious report that the new 40 gig models had high return rates, that proved to have no basis in fact." No point in glossing over the failures of the PS3.

Actually, I said that it was AT MOST a 5% failure rate for the PS3. Since that was the sole figure I could remember seeing in relationship to PS3 failure rates. After some more digging, it appears that I had gotten things slightly confused (let it not be said I'm unwilling to admit to mistakes), the industry AVERAGE is 3-5%. According to this report Sony says the failure rate on the PS3 is about 0.02% (Yes that's two HUNDREDTH of a percent). VS a failure rate of between 25%-33% on the 360. So let's see 360s fail at (we'll be kind and only use the 25% figure) a rate 1250 times greater than the PS3s fail at.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136054-pg,1/article.html

It is by all accounts a very reliable machine. Wishful thinking from some people hasn't changed that.

Here's one of the reports debunking the supposed high failure rate on the 40 gig models.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=16160

Apparently it traces back to a single report on a Dutch website.

Does THAT settle the issue of the relative failure rates and reliability of the two systems folks?

 

[Piratecat]

Does THAT settle the issue of the relative failure rates and reliability of the two systems folks?

Guys, Hypersmurf told you to stop coming off as jerks about three posts up. I know about how strongly people feel about system loyalty, but you aren't standing on a pulpit and this isn't debate club. That means that if you make a good point, you don't then have to rub it into each others' faces.

Please. Be polite, and enjoy the conversation. There's lots of data out there on the system failure rates, and no one needs to get angry while referring to it.

 

[Bront]

The Elite does not need the extra cooling unit. And add on that would help cool down the 360 could possibly void the warranty. I would highly recommend against it. Just make sure you give it room to breath and it will be fine.

I believe if they are refering to external solutions that simply increase fan power pulling out hot air, they don't void any warantee, since they don't modify anything internal.

Heck, the Wii even has them.

 

[Ron]

Actually, I said that it was AT MOST a 5% failure rate for the PS3. Since that was the sole figure I could remember seeing in relationship to PS3 failure rates. After some more digging, it appears that I had gotten things slightly confused (let it not be said I'm unwilling to admit to mistakes), the industry AVERAGE is 3-5%. According to this report Sony says the failure rate on the PS3 is about 0.02% (Yes that's two HUNDREDTH of a percent). VS a failure rate of between 25%-33% on the 360. So let's see 360s fail at (we'll be kind and only use the 25% figure) a rate 1250 times greater than the PS3s fail at.

I recall Microsoft saying the industry average to be 3-5% but I don't believe them, I think it is much lower. Game consoles are to be compared to consumer electronics industries and I would guess their average is much closer to Sony's PS3, otherwise TV sets wouldn't be sold with several years warranty as they are for quite a few years.