Petition to fix Saruman problem in ROTK

[diaglo]

Right--plus, I figured you'd be close to the more recent posts, and just looked there....

And guess what--having to look bugged the hell out of me, you smug little man...

the point of my joke on this forum was you wouldn't find me cuz you didn't know my real name...but obviously...some things weren't meant to be.

i'm glad someone got a kick out of it... whomever diaglo is.

 

[kengar]

... whomever diaglo is.

<"Highlander" Kurgen voice>

I know his name

< /"Highlander" Kurgen voice>

 

[KnowTheToe]

I am glad they changed the story. I have tried to read the book several times and have quit every time. I love the story, but find the writing long winded and boring. I like the movies better. PJ has worked hard to keep the movies close to the books and has made an excellent product. Yes PJ didput his mark on the movies and a very good mark indeed. I trust his judgement and feel that having the scene on the cutting room floor is probably best for the mass audience. It will be on the DVD for the rest of us who love the extended version.

More new fans have found the books because of the movies. Frodo Lives Again because of these movies.

 

[takyris]

Berandor: Massive ditto to all aspects of your posts. Nicely put.

Re: Who solved the riddle: The quote leaves out a BIT of the context. Gandalf does solve it... but as I recall, he solves it after Pippin helps him, right? Pippin uses common sense to give Gandalf a clue -- something like, "Wouldn't they want it to be something easy, something that would let people in?" That was how I remembered the scene -- and then Gandalf says, "Oh, crud, yeah, Mellon," and the door opens.

So, the movie was not quite as massive a change as others were implying.

 

[barsoomcore]

The thing is, they changed stuff for no other reason than to put their fingerprints on it.

Saying something like this just makes you look foolish.

I think we all know that you have no idea WHY they made these changes. None of us do. Even after listening to assorted explanations from assorted film-makers, we still won't actually know -- we could be listening to well-conceived justifications made after the fact.

We can argue that the changes are good or bad, necessary or not, but to go around claiming knowledge of other people's motives is just silly -- not to mention inconsequential to the actual debate.

 

[Bass Puppet]

Well, after seeing the last two moives and knowing that there is no conclusion to Saruman and Wormtongue in RotK theatrical release, I'm just hoping that the petition is atleast heard for the Extended Version. The pattern of events so far is the LOTR: Extended versions are much better than original Theatrical release. I understand that PJ plans on putting the cut scene in, but maybe because of the response from fans such as you and I, that the explanation is atleast fair.

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

PJ has already said that he plans on putting the footage back into the extended edition of RoTK. He's said that if he had realized that it wouldn't work in RoTK earlier, he would have put the footage into the Two Towers Extended Edition.

 

[jdavis]

I heard it was some top excutive at New Line/ WB that told Jackson to cut it. PJ tryed to fight to keep it in there, but the guy already made up his mind. He saw an early cut of the movie and thought the scene dragged down the movie, so he ordered it cut.

IF Jackson did want to keep the scene then the petition might just help, of course at this point it's probably too late to change things anyway.

For me, as long as the scene makes the extended version then I'll live, the extended version is the version that matters to me as it is the version I'll be watching for years to come. They've already said it will be in the extended version so I'm fine. I just thought people might want to know about the petition (heck I didn't sign it myself as I felt it was too late to change things anyway).

As for the changes they made from Book to movie well their is a whole documentary on disk 3 of the extended verson dedicated to them explaining changes they made from the book and why. They didn't make any changes at all just to leave their mark, heck Peter Jackson is probably as big a fan of the books as any of us are (he apparently agonizes over every change too).

Also sort of funny is the documentary where they talk to authors and the original publishers of the books. They pointed out that the books were such a mess storywise that they would of never been published today and talked about all the things that Tolkin did wrong because he wasn't a profesional author, yet everything came together so well in the end. Sort of funny that the books that set the standard for modern fantasy might of never been published by modern standards. For all of us book purist it seems the books were actually flawed by professional writing standards (sort of funny isn't it).

 

[Krieg]

no. it's "Rides the White Pony"

Hmm, I never figured you for a Heroin addict.

Sort of funny that the books that set the standard for modern fantasy might of never been published by modern standards. For all of us book purist it seems the books were actually flawed by professional writing standards (sort of funny isn't it).

It also nicely illustrates what happens when "the formula" becomes more important than the story.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Saying something like this just makes you look foolish.

I think we all know that you have no idea WHY they made these changes.

Exactly. Because the changes were not needed. But thanks for resorting to name calling.