PGtF - What happened to Cosmopolitan?

[Malin Genie]

Oooh... my DM just picked up PGtF, and our wizard is actually rather fond of her sword... I'll have to point this out to the player!

Which region?

-Hyp.

Half-elf (Aglarond), Halfling (Luiren) or Human (Altumbel, the Dalelands, Impiltur, Samarach, Thindol, Turmish.)

I'll have a look at PrCs and see if any fit the bill. Possibly a level of Rogue cross-class would help, but at the cost of spellcasting ability and not really fitting with the character conception...

 

[Darklone]

In your case, I'd simply talk to your DM. The skills you picked are not a case of abuse because of which the feat was changed.

 

[ruleslawyer]

Amen.

I might just ex post facto your character in if I were the DM; the 3.5 revisions shouldn't really damage character concept, as that seems unfair. Another option, if your character serves an appropriate deity, is to make Intimidate and Sense Motive class skills as a benefit of the Initiate of [Deity] feat for that deity. Most deities don't have Initiate feats as written, so it'd be easy for your DM to write an appropriate one up without "breaking the rules."

 

[Sejs]

I might just ex post facto your character in if I were the DM; the 3.5 revisions shouldn't really damage character concept, as that seems unfair.

Agreed 100%. Characters that were viable under pre-revision rules and not abusive should just be grandfathered. An existing character shouldn't have to be rebuilt from the ground up because of the revision, just that future characters would be built using the new rules.

 

[Scion]

Yes, that is exactly the reason. WotC designers balance their PrCs with class requirements in mind, but it's considered unseemly to say that so they couch the class requirements as "X levels of sense motive" or "Y levels of intimidate" or even "proficiency with all martial weapons". If your character can get ranks in a particular skill faster than he "should" be able to, then you may be able to enter a PrC earlier than WotC planned, which is potentially unbalancing with some PrCs.

Generally speaking, this is a problem with the prc, not with the feat. The feat itself is fine, even underpowered. If a dm feels it is incredibly unreasonable then they can simply change the requirements somehow I suppose. But even then, if you get into a prc one level faster by spending a feat to do so, I say good job, not, 'oh my god that is hideously broken I must beat you and the 12 rules next to you down with my nerf stick'.

 

[rkanodia]

I agree with Scion. If the intent of the PrC is to have someone be X level of a class before they can join it (which is reasonable in some cases - for instance, a 5 level PrC could have powers that are utterly broken for an 8th level character, but are just fine for an 18th level character), then that's what the requirements should say. There are a lot of PrCs that have requirements like 'knowledge (religion) 13 ranks' when they mean 'Paladin level 10'.

 

[Westwind]

Rokugan has a feat called Versatile. Pick two non-exclusive cross-class skills, they are now class skills. Not updated to 3.5, but a great feat for fleshing out character concepts (the social fighter, the merchant sorcerer, etc.) I've found. As long as you talk to your DM about where you want to take your character in terms of prestige class or whatever and he's cool with it, I don't foresee a problem. Really, there shouldn't ever be a moment at the table when a player announces "I've decided to pursue prestige class X now" and it comes as a surprise to the DM.

 

[youspoonybard]

If you're looking for a PrC to use, the Church Inquisitor from Complete Divine doesn't have too high requirements (4 ranks in a couple of skills, but LN or LG only, and be a member of LG church. DM may be able to shift those RP requirements for you), essentially only loses the good fort save, and has 4+int skill points per level. Intimidate and Sense Motive are class skills.

*EDIT* - Sorry, he also does not advance turning. Forgot about turning.

 

[WingOver]

The cost may be too high for you, but the Human Paragon class gets Adaptive Learning at 1st level which allows you to treat one skill as a class skill forever.

 

[ConcreteBuddha]

PGtF has a regional feat that grants proficiency with all martial weapons. That poses a problem for classes such as the eldritch knight that require 1 level without casting advancement but couch the requirement as "proficiency with all martial weapons." In that particular case, WotC decided it's OK for a regional feat to do this since regional feats are supposed to be more powerful than normal feats. By the same logic, you could probably create a regional feat that would let 1 or 2 skills become class skills for you.

Which is funny because Cosmopolitan is a regional feat.