Bucket Head
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I voted demon, but I was disappointed that the most vile and evil of all creatures was not an option. That being the good ole POLITICIAN
Pick your favorite: Demon, Devil or Yugoloth
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Brakkart
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I voted demon, because they have the best variety of types and because I'm reading War of the Spider Queen at the moment and Aliisza and Kaanyr in that just rock (especially Aliisza). Most of my favourite evil outsiders are demons, with only a few exceptions (Erinyes, Cornugons, Ultroloth's, Arcanoloths and Canoloths). Also all my favourite outer planes BBEG's are demons: Graz'zt, Pazrael (I HATE the name Pazuzu), Orcus, Demogorgon, Lolth, Yeenoghu and others.
CF
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I've voted devils: they're the politicians from hells! I just love/hate all their order and bureocracy - pretty nasty cloak and dagger fellows.
But that's really a thought choice. I also like the Yogoloths, they're just e-v-i-l, plain and simple. And demons are great, even though I don't portray them as the cunning plotters the other fiends are.
But that's really a thought choice. I also like the Yogoloths, they're just e-v-i-l, plain and simple. And demons are great, even though I don't portray them as the cunning plotters the other fiends are.
Gold Roger
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Bucket Head said:
Well, that's because devils are politicians. Which is why I voted for them.
Besides they've got that old fashioned gothic style and the fiery pits of hell, where the souls of lesser sinners suffer (tormented to their own amusement by the souls of the greater sinners).
They're the supreme masters of soultrade as well.
lukelightning
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I run an Arcana Evolved game, happily bereft of alignements, so I'm free to lump all the demons and devils, etc. into one big group and pick whichever ones I want to be nasty surprises for the PCs.
Gothmog
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Definitely devils. Demons are dull and overused, and most recent WotC books and/or Dragon and Dungeon articles focus on demons. Although there are infinite varieties, they are in danger of becoming the new drow (used in everything). I find demons too direct, brutal, and in your face- they are scary physical adversaries, but not much past that.
Daemons are ok, but seem somewhat out of place. Demons are pure malice and destruction on an animal or emotional level, devils are the diabolical plotting evil of the intellectual, and daemons are....? Well, not really sure. I never liked the whole Blood War concept, so in my games I don't use it. And without the Blood War, daemons as written have no real role. I really like Green Ronin's take on them in the Book of Fiends- the representations of deadly sins, but thats not very D&D.
I love me some devils though. They are dangerous and evil in a way demons and daemons can't be- they lure you into an iron-clad trap, take everything you have, then ask for more. They are the insidious, plotting, eternal evil that uses a person's strengths and weaknesses against them. They are pretty hard to DM well, but when it is done, players sit there with their mouths hanging open at how horrible and subtle evil can be. Plus you've got Asmodeus, Mephistopheles, Moloche, Bael, Belial, Mammon, and Dispater which are so much more interesting and deep than Orcus, Grazzt or Demogorgon.
Daemons are ok, but seem somewhat out of place. Demons are pure malice and destruction on an animal or emotional level, devils are the diabolical plotting evil of the intellectual, and daemons are....? Well, not really sure. I never liked the whole Blood War concept, so in my games I don't use it. And without the Blood War, daemons as written have no real role. I really like Green Ronin's take on them in the Book of Fiends- the representations of deadly sins, but thats not very D&D.
I love me some devils though. They are dangerous and evil in a way demons and daemons can't be- they lure you into an iron-clad trap, take everything you have, then ask for more. They are the insidious, plotting, eternal evil that uses a person's strengths and weaknesses against them. They are pretty hard to DM well, but when it is done, players sit there with their mouths hanging open at how horrible and subtle evil can be. Plus you've got Asmodeus, Mephistopheles, Moloche, Bael, Belial, Mammon, and Dispater which are so much more interesting and deep than Orcus, Grazzt or Demogorgon.
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Immak Antunel
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Devils, because it's a lot easier for me to make a group of them into a coherent and durable organization opposing the PCs. The heirarchy and order allows them to coordinate their actions, whether defending a dungeon from PCs or working to corrupt an entire society.
For example, my last campaign had the PCs (evil drow) caught in the middle of a large-scale war between dwarves and drow, with each side subtly assisted by agents of Mephistopheles and Dispater, respectively. If the campaign had continued, they would have seen that the whole epic conflict was basically a minor move in what amounted to a casual bet between Archdevils (as to whether CE or LG was easier to convert to LE).
Yugoloths certainly seem cool, I just rarely think of them. Maybe some day...
Demons are nifty, but I have a hard time making them play nice with each other. The only easy option is to have them all kept in line by fear of super-demon lurking in the background, and that isn't always so much fun.
I'm trying something else though... a high-level demonologist in my current campaign is secretly manipulating all sorts of demons and thralls to congregate in a single region, keeping them mostly unaware of each other, and acting as a mysterious patron to each one. Eventually, this one city and it's surrounding environs will be host to an Ibixian mercenary company secretly devoted to Orcus, a dark cabal led by an elven librarian who happens to worship Demogorgon, a thrall of Graz'zt and her cronies, a Yeenoghuite gnoll tribe, and a single maniacal Juiblex-sponsored dwarf. So far, the demonologist is doing this just to see what will happen as these groups learn of each others' existence, but he may have more sinister plans in mind. If this storyline works out, demons may take the number one spot for me.
For example, my last campaign had the PCs (evil drow) caught in the middle of a large-scale war between dwarves and drow, with each side subtly assisted by agents of Mephistopheles and Dispater, respectively. If the campaign had continued, they would have seen that the whole epic conflict was basically a minor move in what amounted to a casual bet between Archdevils (as to whether CE or LG was easier to convert to LE).
Yugoloths certainly seem cool, I just rarely think of them. Maybe some day...
Demons are nifty, but I have a hard time making them play nice with each other. The only easy option is to have them all kept in line by fear of super-demon lurking in the background, and that isn't always so much fun.
I'm trying something else though... a high-level demonologist in my current campaign is secretly manipulating all sorts of demons and thralls to congregate in a single region, keeping them mostly unaware of each other, and acting as a mysterious patron to each one. Eventually, this one city and it's surrounding environs will be host to an Ibixian mercenary company secretly devoted to Orcus, a dark cabal led by an elven librarian who happens to worship Demogorgon, a thrall of Graz'zt and her cronies, a Yeenoghuite gnoll tribe, and a single maniacal Juiblex-sponsored dwarf. So far, the demonologist is doing this just to see what will happen as these groups learn of each others' existence, but he may have more sinister plans in mind. If this storyline works out, demons may take the number one spot for me.
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