D&D (2024) Pie in the Sky 6E

[Bill Zebub]

One class: adventurer. Everything else is a feat.

Handiworks Games' 5e-based "Beowulf" has one class: Hero.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

You've convinced me. Delete the Cleric too. They're basically Warlocks with extra steps anyway.

I disagree on why, but at least it gets rid of D&D’s least important class.

Huh. How strange. I never really thought the Cleric was a problem. If there's a class I'd do away with, it'd be Paladin. Not because there's any problem with the class mechanically but just because "Crusading Priest" and "Paladin" are pretty much the same archetype, so having two different classes for them always felt odd to me.

If they’re the same archetype, Cleric sucks more, so it can get yeeted.

Also they aren’t, btw. The Paladin isn’t a priest, they’re a knight.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I disagree on why, but at least it gets rid of D&D’s least important class.

But I had already gotten rid of the Wizard.

If they’re the same archetype, Cleric sucks more, so it can get yeeted.

Also they aren’t, btw. The Paladin isn’t a priest, they’re a knight.

The Paladin might be named after a specific group of knights, but they're priests. They're holy dudes filled with holy power, not professional peasant murderers and alcohol sinks.

 

[Cadence]

I'd really like a paladin that's a fighter with clericy flair, a half caster cleric, and a full caster, non-martial priest.

 

[Reynard]

I don't think any of the classes really are what their names are anymore.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I don't think any of the classes really are what their names are anymore.

Hmm...

Fighter - Assailant (because they can't do anything but attack)
Bard - Actual Wizard
Barbarian - Actual Fighter
Monk - We Couldn't Figure Out how to do an Unarmed Fighter based on Pop Culture
Ranger - We genuinely have no idea. Nature? Bows? Large, gas guzzling utility vehicles?
Warlock - Sugarbaby Mage. Left out of the Infinity Saga, the only storyline where they mattered.
Cleric - Holy Warlock
Paladin - Violent Holy Warlock
Druid - I, Aku, the shapeshifting Master of Darkness
Artificer - We forgot this was a thing
Sorcerer - Mutant
Psion - I know we forgot something, I just can't put my finger on it...
Rogue - The Good One. Just historically across editions and clones. Wait... Subclasses? Oh crap. Stall for time. STALL.
Wizard - Attention Sink

 

[Minigiant]

One other thing I'd want is to officially categorize supernatural aspects by power source

• Magic
  • Channel Divinity
  • Infusions
  • Invocations
  • Magic Arrows
  • Spells
    • Cantrips
    • Rituals
    • Sorceries
• Martial
  • Exploits
  • Maneuvers
  • Tricks
  • Techniques
• Psionics
  • Disciplines
  • Powers

 

[doctorbadwolf]

But I had already gotten rid of the Wizard.

The Paladin might be named after a specific group of knights, but they're priests. They're holy dudes filled with holy power, not professional peasant murderers and alcohol sinks.

None of the classes are based on cynical readings of the historical concepts associated with them.

Paladins are not priests. Being “holy” does not make one a priest.

 

[Vaalingrade]

None of the classes are based on cynical readings of the historical concepts associated with them.

Warlocks literally make deals with supernatural forces instead of being laymen good at medicine and science.

 

[Reynard]

Paladins are not priests. Being “holy” does not make one a priest.

In literature and history, paladins were pious knights and not actual priests.