D&D 4E Piracy and 4e

[Dannyalcatraz]

It is not self or god-made. This is what we are debating over here.

I don't know where you got that impression- I never asserted law or economics to be of divine origin.

 

[Makaze]

No, not me.

Sorry, you are correct.

Guinness is one of the most commercially successful beer companies and one with the most capital and infrastructure around. They protect their product identity for marketing purposes. It has nothing to do with beer quality and innovation so why is it a good thing is beyond me.

They gained their success by having an excellent product among other things. Preventing people from directly copying them forces others to attempt to make an excellent product as well in order to compete. They can't just do what Guinness does (no increase to total world knowledge) but must instead do something better to capture market share. That's a good thing as it increases the number of quality product on the market and our total sum of knowledge.

Ok, there is welfare in some countries - I had forgotten about this. But is it good enough? And then if it is, why are we talking about piracy -why would piracy exist.

I've got no idea where that came from. People in western society have the right to make money not the right to as much money as they want/need. Huge difference.

 

[xechnao]

The recipe is the heart of their business.

Without protecting their recipe, they never get to be "one of the most commercially successful beer companies and one with the most capital and infrastructure around."

Without protecting their recipe, they have no meaningful product identity.

Without protecting their recipe, they can't make enough money to innovate anything...and they have several varieties, each with a unique recipe.

And without quality, there is no reason to protect the recipe.

You are wrong. Give me the recipe but no capital or infrastructure. I can never make the business Guiness does. OTOH give me infrastructure and capital but no recipe. If I want to, it will be a matter of time to start making investment profits.

 

[Makaze]

Nope. People are the law and economics. Law does not come from mount Sinai or whatever. People make laws. It is not self or god-made. This is what we are debating over here.

That is most certainly not what we're debating. People did make the laws. You can disagree with them, I do sometimes. And you can debate their enforceability, copyrights on an individual level for example. But people still made them.

People did not make economics though. It's more of a natural force such as weather as it tends to act in unpredictable ways that we cannot completely control.

 

[xechnao]

People in western society have the right to make money not the right to as much money as they want/need. Huge difference.

So how is their right guaranteed then? And how does this connect to piracy.

I don't know where you got that impression- I never asserted law or economics to be of divine origin.

What is their origin? Individual or public-common?

 

[xechnao]

That is most certainly not what we're debating. People did make the laws. You can disagree with them, I do sometimes. And you can debate their enforceability, copyrights on an individual level for example. But people still made them.

People did not make economics though. It's more of a natural force such as weather as it tends to act in unpredictable ways that we cannot completely control.

What are we debating?

 

[Makaze]

You are wrong. Give me the recipe but no capital or infrastructure. I can never make the business Guiness does. OTOH give me infrastructure and capital but no recipe. If I want to, it will be a matter of time to start making investment profits.

Assuming you've already got the infrastructure if I give you a recipe you won't create new knowledge. But if you've got to make your own new recipe to compete...

 

[xechnao]

Assuming you've already got the infrastructure if I give you a recipe you won't create new knowledge. But if you've got to make your own new recipe to compete...

You are assuming too much.

 

[Makaze]

So how is their right guaranteed then? And how does this connect to piracy.

What is their origin? Individual or public-common?

Their rights are guaranteed by their own power or the collective power of a group they belong to. That's the same as their origin. A group of people agreeing on what their rights should be and then working to enforce them when required. I have no idea what this has to do with piracy. You asked me if people have the right to make money and I answered.

What are we debating?

Whether or not the existence of copyright laws encourage the advancement of knowledge through greater investment in private sector research and knowledge production.

 

[Makaze]

You are assuming too much.

Perhaps not you. But on average. And certainly the people that fronted you the money for the infrastructure since it's the easiest path to profit.