Poison and Saves

[Kae'Yoss]

Hm... have you pissed the DM off? Or was it important to the story that you fell asleep? That would be the only two reasons why he changed the rules to favor one PC over another... (or he doesn't know what he's talking about, of course ;-))

 

[isoChron]

No, no, I didn't piss of my DM, at least i hope so, and it wasn't important for the story ... it was just an intermezzo.

Full Story:
Our group defeated an evil warlord with a HUGE BAD RED SWORD. My PC (Knight & Paladin of Torm) disarmed him (with a natural 20 on the first strike ... lucky guy) and the picked up the dropped sword. Now that was a bad idea ... it is an intelligent artifact with ego of 32 ... it's a nice weapon with lots of extras but it has it's own mind and it's bloodthirsty. My paladin nearly always failed his will save (DC32) and lost a Ability score (wisdom) each time. The change of character was noticed by the party and they thought it's necessary to divorce the paladin and the sword (they are sooo right !) before he is at Wisdom 0 which means his mind is completly controlled by the sword. By the way, the sword is wanted by a big bunch of demons ....
Well, we were climbing down a chain into an old dwarfkeep with lots of evil undead and golems and the mage used my helpless position and tried to thief the sword from my back ... it failed due DM call. Down on the floor the sword suggested that the mage is a traitor and i have to kill traitors. He escaped using fly and invisbility. Now our cleric of Tempus! gave Mandorallen a potion. He told me it is a potion of cure xxx wounds. My character drank the potion but it was a sleep poison. My DM ruled there is no save at all and my character fell asleep.
The upcoming irongolem and my iron fist holding the sword even asleep disturbed the plan of my party.

Hmm, congratulations if you understood even something of my weired story told in even more weired english

My DM is still holding on to the no-first-save-in-poisoned-food-rule.


Thank you all again for the replies.

 

[med stud]

I wish you could drop your resistance vs poisons IRL; you could drunk on a sip of beer then...

 

[Kae'Yoss]

No, no, I didn't piss of my DM, at least i hope so, and it wasn't important for the story ... it was just an intermezzo.
....

So it was actually good for you to fall asleep so the others could get you rid of the sword. In that case, you may actually agree to the whole thing (maybe the party has tried everything else).

Hmm, congratulations if you understood even something of my weired story told in even more weired english

Ach was, dein Englisch ist in Ordnung so!
(or, you make exactly the same mistakes as I do, and we understand our "denglisch" perfectly ;-))

My DM is still holding on to the no-first-save-in-poisoned-food-rule.


Thank you all again for the replies.

As I said: In that case it was to your benefit - and a special case on top of that. Maybe he miscalculated the sword and must take that measure for you to get rid of that curst thing (or your character is doomed). That happens to many DM's (I had nothing like that, but, then again I only DM for a month or two).
If he persists on it even if you do it to an enemy (or the enemy does it to you), I would ask him to reconsider. Just imagine someone putting two or three doses of black lotus into your meal. You won't get a save and automatically take 3d6 con damage (and if all those doses apply at once, maybe because you drained the mug with the poison in it in one go, you'll get 9d6 con damage - almost sure kill).
I could - maybe - be persuaded to forget that save if the target where under mind influencing magic. But as it was already said: fort saves (and saves in general) are no deliberate action, they're a reaction, just like you pull away a hand from a flame, even if you want to stick it in there!

 

[isoChron]

The funny thing is my DM did nearly anything that my party DID NOT free me from the sword. The sword is really powerful, but my evil DM knows that, too.
He is not that kind of guy who tosses in a vorpal keen holy bla bla bla scimitar without an intention.
This sword has drawbacks and he is trying to build a quest on destroying the sword. (In evil hands it could change the face of the world, that's why hordes of demons ambush us here and there and everywhere)
Really the one who wants to get rid of the sword is ME , but not my character, who can't see the consequences or the drawbacks 'cause he is kind of charmed by the sword.
And even worth Torm is dead ... no Divine Grace. My will save is around 6 now and still falling

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Somehow it sounds like Cthulu: you don't play to accomplish something, but to avoid something: being slaughtered or becoming completely insane. And it's really only delaying the ineviteable... Well, if you manage it to be freed from the sword's influence, and maybe even to destroy the sword, you have a great sense of accomplishment at least!

 

[isoChron]

Yep. Right. The Mission objectives are:
- SURVIVE
- KEEP PALADIN STATUS
- STAY SANE
- SURVIVE

That's all ok, I think my DM does a good job at all but with the poison-and-saves-thing .... nevermind.
Another day, another demon.
Another week, another archenemy.
We are collecting enemies fast, but no trophies from the demons ... sigh.


Feierabend.
n8

 

[Kae'Yoss]

I must admit that I prefer the more heroic image of, well, heroes. Cthulu is a nice diversion, but nothing I could play very long.