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5E Polearm Master Feat

i_dont_meta

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I know this has been addressed before but I can't find the thread--Is the Pike pursposefully omitted from the second bullet?


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KahlessNestor

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I don't know if it's purposeful or not, but I was surprised and annoyed at that, as well, since I have a fighter that was going to take that feat and now can't use his longspear (renamed pike) for it.

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Barolo

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I know this has been addressed before but I can't find the thread--Is the Pike pursposefully omitted from the second bullet?


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By the description of the feat, you use the butt of the polearm for the extra attack. As a halberd can be swung but a pike is just thrusted forward, I guess it was on purpose that it was left out, as otherwise the whole movement might have ended up a little weird.

Nonetheless, in my table we have ruled that someone using a pike can do the extra attack, represented in fiction as a sort of quick jab, dealing piercing damage the same way as the main attack, but with the reduced die, if both attacks are directed at the same enemy or enemies positioned in front of the attacker. If the attacker is surrounded and wants to use the extra attack against an adversary positioned behind, then it is as per rules, with the damage being bludgeoning. We did this mostly because the group finds longspear fighters to be cool and it didn't seem to fulfill any balance purpose to let them out of the bonus attack benefit.
 




thethain

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I think the more fun question is why a staff (a roughly 5-6 feet stick) is on the list while a spear (a 5-6 feet stick with point) is ommitted from the list.
 

MonkeezOnFire

Adventurer
This is a weird instance where some things are subject to realism while others are not. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe the halberd was primarily used in tight formations as a thrusting weapon with the axe part being used to rake enemies when pulling the weapon back. But in the PHB the halberd does slashing damage and can be swung around with polearm master.

I would just allow the pike to be used for the bonus action attack. Since it's statistics are the same as the halberd it shouldn't really break anything.
 

KahlessNestor

Explorer
That's exactly how you use a halberd. And a pike is normally about 15 feet in length.

My problem is I wanted a longspear fighter like Oberyn Martell. I had to refluff a pike for that. And it's AL, so I can't refluff the feat to allow me to use the longspear because it's mechanically a pike.

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jaelis

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That's exactly how you use a halberd. And a pike is normally about 15 feet in length.

My problem is I wanted a longspear fighter like Oberyn Martell. I had to refluff a pike for that. And it's AL, so I can't refluff the feat to allow me to use the longspear because it's mechanically a pike.

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Couldn't you write "Halberd" on your character sheet but call it a spear? I guess you have slashing rather than piercing damage, but it's pretty uncommon that matters.
 

LapBandit

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It's hilarious that they don't allow the pike but it STILL has a 10ft reach and is super heavy. Which is it WotC? Super heavy with more reach than a halberd or just a long spear that shouldn't weight any more (and probability less) than a halberd with the same reach? Any reasonable human being will just let you use halberd stats with piercing and the feat.
 

hejtmane

Explorer
also makes no sense you can use a qtr staff and not a spear which is stupid because many qtr staff techniques work with spear
 

i_dont_meta

Explorer
Thanks for the replies y'all, especially Jaelis for the SA link. I can now OFFICIALLY nominate the Pike as the worst RAW weapon in the PHB...not to mention the UA Spear Master Feat, which brings the spear some meatiness and again leaves the Pike behind...


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MonkeezOnFire

Adventurer
Thanks for the replies y'all, especially Jaelis for the SA link. I can now OFFICIALLY nominate the Pike as the worst RAW weapon in the PHB...not to mention the UA Spear Master Feat, which brings the spear some meatiness and again leaves the Pike behind...


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At least the pike falls short in games with feats, which are optional.

Take a close look at the net. With a normal range of 5 feet all attacks beyond 5 feet are made with disadvantage. But it's also a ranged weapon so any attacks made within 5 feet are made with disadvantage.

I think the trident is also in the running for the dubious honour.
 

jaelis

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Thanks for the replies y'all, especially Jaelis for the SA link. I can now OFFICIALLY nominate the Pike as the worst RAW weapon in the PHB...not to mention the UA Spear Master Feat, which brings the spear some meatiness and again leaves the Pike behind...


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Nah trident is worse.

Espcially tridents wielded by ninja posters!
 



i_dont_meta

Explorer
Yeah, I guess the trident DOES deserve mention. Man, what's WotC's beef with polearms? Is this backlash against the those massive polearm lists from 2E?


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I am constantly reminded that most game designers know very little about Martial Combat... And that's okay - but they should be careful not to make rules based on only a little knowledge.

For example, the number of times one could thrust the end of a spear or a pike at someone when compared to "flipping a halberd around and hitting the same person with the butt-end"

These two things do not compare with the halberd coming out on top.

That said, it is pretty reasonable to imagine slicing someone both forward and back with a halberd, which is how I would view the feat working. (But then it ought to do slashing damage).

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