Portable Hole

[Trellian]

If you put a bag of holding into a portable hole, they vanish into the astral plane. If you put a portable hole into a bag of holding they and all around them vanish into the astral plane.

But.. what happens when a portable hole into another portable hole?

 

[Crothian]

First, portable holes are made to be filled with beer!!

Second, any extra spacial magical item that goes inside another is bad, it would open a gate to the Astral plane

 

[LokiDR]

Where, in the rules, does it state that something bad happens when you put one extradimentional space into another? If so, what happens if you use something like rope-trick and are wearing a bag of holding?

The rules are just plain vague here.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

First, portable holes are made to be filled with beer!!

Put it on the bottom and have a nice big beer pool? Nice, but hope that no bloke will put it on a wall....

Second, any extra spacial magical item that goes inside another is bad, it would open a gate to the Astral plane

The rules don't state that. They only speak about bags of holding and portable holes. But I guess they meant that all extradimensional contaniers aren't meant to be stacked into each other.

 

[Murrdox]

I believe that the FAQ or the Sage or something says that it's "Okay" to be inside a Rope Trick effect while having a portable hole or a bag of holding on you.

It's common sense here people. The GENERAL RULE is that any item which is some sort of an extra-dimensional container cannot be put inside any OTHER extra-dimensional container. So you can't have a portable hole with 10 bags of holding, which each have 100 Heward's Handy Haversacks, which each have 100 Gloves of Storing which each have a +1 Crossbow loaded with a +1 Bolt.

LokiDR, I think the specific rules for this are either in the Portable Hole or Bag of Holding description, and they generally apply to any extradimensional objects.

 

[Talix]

If you actually make it that general, though, you put a severe damper on things like Rope Trick, and possibly Magnificent Mansion (not sure of the wording of that spell) - what higher level adventurers don't have SOME sort of extra-dimensional space?

 

[LokiDR]

LokiDR, I think the specific rules for this are either in the Portable Hole or Bag of Holding description, and they generally apply to any extradimensional objects.

There are specific rules for portable hole and a bag of holding. A Quiver of Elona is also an extradimentional space, but it isn't mentioned. There is no mention of extradimentional spaces in general, nore have I seen any offical mention of extradimentional spaces exploding if one is place inside the other, beside the portable hole entry.

I don't know that the general rule for one extradimentional space in another exsists at all.

 

[rhammer2]

The general rule is a hold over from 1st and 2nd editions.

There are specific rules for portable hole and a bag of holding. A Quiver of Elona is also an extradimentional space, but it isn't mentioned. There is no mention of extradimentional spaces in general, nore have I seen any offical mention of extradimentional spaces exploding if one is place inside the other, beside the portable hole entry.

I don't know that the general rule for one extradimentional space in another exsists at all.

 

[LokiDR]

The general rule is a hold over from 1st and 2nd editions.

I know were the concept came from, Alot of those artifacts were brought over, such as several pieces of the wish description. But some things weren't. Haste used to age you a year. 3e doesn't say it does, but would you use the precident of 1e and 2e?

Since this is the rules forum, I think I will take the rules stance that the only extradimentional spaces that have problems together are portable holes and bags of holding. This means you can put a portable hole in a portable hole. There doesn't seem to be a published reason you can not.

 

[Steverooo]

Since this is the rules forum, I think I will take the rules stance that the only extradimentional spaces that have problems together are portable holes and bags of holding. This means you can put a portable hole in a portable hole. There doesn't seem to be a published reason you can not.

Okay, so how many Portable Holes can you fit in a Portable Hole? A whole lot!...

Any GM should shoot this down, instantly. The INTENT is obvious. You cannot fill a portable hole with treasure, then stuff it into yet another Portable Hole, take a third, and begin filling it!

The rules don't SAY that you cannot give ET "Ultimate Power", either. That doesn't mean that you should!

Allowing a Glove of Storing in a Heward's Handy Haversack, or a Quiver of Ehlonna in a Portable Hole is fine. Allowing containers which hold large amounts of ANYTHING to be stacked inside each other is... well... pardon my opinion, but it's just plain DUMB - whether or not a rule exists to say you can't, or not.

MHO. YMMV (but shouldn't)!