Count me as another one who really liked it, though I'll say it was my favorite of the three. I really liked the focus on Will as in both this and the second movie he was by far my favorite character.
Bring on the fourth one, fountain of youth indeed.
I wasn't a big Elizabeth fan the first two movies. She came off as whiney and selfish. But this movie I really dug her character. I bought into the idea of her as a pirate this time.. I don't know what was so different this time than previously but it worked. Will and elizabeth seemed to change the most whereas the other characters changed slightly.
I wasn't a big Elizabeth fan the first two movies. She came off as whiney and selfish. But this movie I really dug her character. I bought into the idea of her as a pirate this time.. I don't know what was so different this time than previously but it worked. Will and elizabeth seemed to change the most whereas the other characters changed slightly.
I think that this is Elizabeth's story since she's the one who's changed the most throughout the course of this story. Also the fact that the movies basically begin and end (if you hung around for the coda after the credits of At the Worlds End) with her. I'd also like to think that of all of the main characters her decisions really cost her in some ways. Her decision to stand by Will at the end of Curse of the Black Pearl costs her MORE at the beginning of Dead Man's Chest because of her relationship with her father. Her decisions in Dead Man's Chest cost almost cost her Will's trust in At Wold's End. And her decision to fight in At World's End almost cost her...well you know (for those who have seen the movie). I think she more than Will has embodied the essence of what it was to be a Pirate. Will was still for the most part an honorable man, everything that he did was to fulfil some sort of obligation that he made to someone else. Elizabeth also did this but she was a bit more ruthless about it, the only difference between someone like her and Jack and Barbosa was that she feels remorse for her actions.
Will is the captain of the flying dutchman for eternity, or until someone stabs his heart and takes his place. Will and Elizabeth can only meet on land once in 10 years..
I was to tired to stay past the credits and missed the last scene.
Will is the captain of the flying dutchman for eternity, or until someone stabs his heart and takes his place. Will and Elizabeth can only meet on land once in 10 years..
I was to tired to stay past the credits and missed the last scene.
Will is the captain of the flying dutchman for eternity, or until someone stabs his heart and takes his place. Will and Elizabeth can only meet on land once in 10 years..
I was to tired to stay past the credits and missed the last scene.
the [*spoiler*] tag work better since it blocks it for those people using PHB or Stealth ENworld Themes. (no *)
But yes. See my spoiler a couple up to see that. It wouldn't have been MY choice of ending I would have had Bootstrap stab the heart, become captain, and let Willibeth live happily ever after but I guess it was better than the other alternative Will was given at that moment...
Actually, my big beef was that at the end was that NOBODY really got what they wanted. Will freed his father, but lost his freedom. Elizabeth lost everyone who cared for her (Will, Norrington, her father, and Jack) and ended up alone (abit with Will popping in every 10 years and a child to take care of) Jack lost the Pearl and really only Barbosa ended up ok (He's alive, free of the Curse, has his ship, and despite losing the charts to Jack, is in a good place to pirate again).
I dunno, CotBP was a great movie because it was a classic pirate movie with a great ending. AWE undid everything CotBP set out to do. In CotBP, Will and Liz are together, Jack got his boat and revenge, and even Norrington and Gov Swann learned sometimes Piracy has redeeming qualities. But by AWE, Will and Liz have a tragic love story, Jack lost the Pearl again, and Norrington and Swann are killed by treachery. Everything is reversed. Kinda disappointing as a wrap to a trilogy, since it was all for naught.
Between some contrived plot-holes (didn't Bootstrap KNOW about the stab-the-heart clause in DMC? He didn't warn Will then?), pointless redactions (it IS Rules, not merely Guidelines!) and some Out-of-left-field element (Jack's Multiplicity moments got boring after a while) and the anti-climatic resolution to the Kraken (why didn't they use it finish off the Pirates?) I have to say it felt very awkward and not satisfying.
Still, it had some great lines and set pieces, but I didn't inspire me and thrill me like CotBP or even most of DMC did.
I thought the movie kicked ass, but I agree that it had too many scenes which needed to have been reduced to half their length. Personally I liked the first "jack conversation" since ity was in the locker where he was "punished (with insanity)" but the rest of them only destroyed all of drunken brilliance behind Jack's character.
I liked the Barbosa / Jack Sparrow dichonomy... Barbosa is experienced and ruthless, Jack is cleaver and (somewhat) cowardly and extremely flighty.. I liked how Jack and Barbosa both were able to plan ahead but where Barbosa's plans succeeded because of skill, Jack was able to manipulate things so that his successes appeared to happen only by luck.
Also, Keith Richards should have been build as Captain Teach NOT "Captain Teague" but the fact that they obviously based Teaque on ol' Black Beard is enough for me.
the [*spoiler*] Between some contrived plot-holes (didn't Bootstrap KNOW about the stab-the-heart clause in DMC? He didn't warn Will then?), pointless redactions (it IS Rules, not merely Guidelines!) and some Out-of-left-field element (Jack's Multiplicity moments got boring after a while) and the anti-climatic resolution to the Kraken (why didn't they use it finish off the Pirates?) I have to say it felt very awkward and not satisfying.
I agree that the Kraken scene sucked, hopefully we will see it die in the dvd. That being said, I still would have enjoyed seeing the kraken become so reckless in its destruction that it Beckette would force Davy Jones to kill it.
I think the stabbing the heart clause becoming wide spread was something that was left on the cutting room floor or existed between DMC and AWE. I suspect that once Beckette recieved the heart he forced Davy Jones to reveal the heart's secret (while being board the Flying Dutchman). As a result of the secret's utterance, the Fly Dutchman's Crew would learned of the secret as a result of their being part of the ship.
