preparing spells

[IceBear]

Thanks Zhure, I knew it was buried in there somewhere. It was, BTW, the way that I've been playing it since the beginning, but for some reason this morning I'm in doubt of everything

IceBear

 

[Henrix]

But Zhure, even the items you quote say:

" If its normal casting time is 1 action, casting a metamagic spell is a full-round action for a spellcaster that chooses spells as they cast them.
...

Checking the glossary:
"full-round action: One of several time-based action
categories. Full-round actions consume all of a character’s
effort during a round. The only movement pos-sible
in conjunction with a full-round action is a 5-foot
step, which can occur before, after, or during the
action. Some full-round actions (as specified in their
descriptions) do not allow even this much movement.
When using a full-round action to cast a spell whose
casting time is 1 full round, the spell is not completed
until the beginning of the caster’s next turn."

(My italics.)

I can't understand how you can interprete that in any other way!
It clearly says that if a sorceror metamagics a 1-action spell, then it takes a full round action to cast, and the consequences for casting a full round action spell is just that.

I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with you on this. *shrugs*

 

[Henrix]

It's my time to quote the SRD.
The SRDdefines three, and only three, spell casting actions:

Cast a quickened spell [Free][AoO: No]
Description: Self explanatory.

Cast a spell(1-action) [Standard][AoO: Yes]
Description: Casting a spell with a casting time of 1 action is a standard action. A character can move and then cast the spell, or cast the spell and then move.
A character may attempt to cast a spell while on the defensive. Casting a spell while on the defensive does not provoke an attack of opportunity. It does require a Concentration check (DC 15 + spell level). Failure means that the character loses the spell.

Cast a spell(full-round) [Full][AoO: Yes]
Description: The spell will take effect just before the caster's action in the next round.
A character can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after casting such a spell, but cannot otherwise move.

What else can I say?

 

[Zhure]

I can't understand how you can interprete that in any other way!
It clearly says that if a sorceror metamagics a 1-action spell, then it takes a full round action to cast, and the consequences for casting a full round action spell is just that.

I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with you on this. *shrugs*

Fair enough, let me try one more time to explain myself better and more succinctly:

"When using a full-round action to cast a spell whose
casting time is 1 full round, the spell is not completed
until the beginning of the caster’s next turn."

A metamagic spell is not a full round spell, it's a full-round action, so this doesn't apply.

Greg

 

[IceBear]

Here are the two key points:

If its normal casting time is 1 action, casting a metamagic spell is a full-round action for a spellcaster that chooses spells as they cast them.

and

When using a full-round action to cast a spell whose
casting time is 1 full round, the spell is not completed
until the beginning of the caster’s next turn

Thus, a spell that has a casting time of 1 full round is a specific subset of a Full Round Action, and is treated different than a FRA.

IceBear

 

[Henrix]

Nah, you'll have to find something more convincing than that, to covince me.

But consider this:
When a sorceror is casting a spell that takes one full round (because of metamagics), does he then use

Cast a quickened spell [Free][AoO: No] - obviously not

Cast a spell(1-action) [Standard][AoO: Yes]

or

Cast a spell(full-round) [Full][AoO: Yes]

Take your pick.
If the last is what is applicable, then read the description of it.

 

[apsuman]

Checking the glossary:
"full-round action: One of several time-based action
categories. Full-round actions consume all of a character’s
effort during a round. The only movement pos-sible
in conjunction with a full-round action is a 5-foot
step, which can occur before, after, or during the
action. Some full-round actions (as specified in their
descriptions) do not allow even this much movement.
When using a full-round action to cast a spell whose
casting time is 1 full round, the spell is not completed
until the beginning of the caster’s next turn."

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I can't understand how you can interprete that in any other way!
It clearly says that if a sorceror metamagics a 1-action spell, then it takes a full round action to cast, and the consequences for casting a full round action spell is just that.

I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with you on this. *shrugs* [/B]

The glossary sais that if you are using a full round action to cast a spell with a casting time of 1 full round, then the spell is not completed until the beginning of the caster's next turn.

But the metamagic feat descriptions do not say they make 1-action spells have 1 full round casting times. It only says that they take a full round action to cast. The italics you applied are good only for spells with casting times of 1 full round. In other words, since the PHB specifically goes out of it's way to explain how 1-full round spells are different we must assume that other spells including full round action metamagic sorcerer spells all occur in the round they were cast.

 

[IceBear]

Henrix,

I believe it's a hybrid of 1-action and full round. It HAS been clarified by someone (and the more I think about it, I think it was the Sage last summer) that a metamagic spell cast by a sorcerer is a typical FRA and not a full round spell.

IceBear

 

[Henrix]

In other words, since the PHB specifically goes out of it's way to explain how 1-full round spells are different we must assume that other spells including full round action metamagic sorcerer spells all occur in the round they were cast.

Where would it do that?
The PHB only mentions spells that either take one action to cast, and spells that take a full round to cast.
P. 148, Casting Time: "A spell that takes a full round to cast is a full round action."

 

[Henrix]

Ok, Icebear, I believe you when you say that it has been clarified by somebody.

But it still is contrary to all sources: the PHB, SRD, FAQ. (And the FAQ is pretty recent.)

But we're obviously not going anywhere any longer.

You quote something, I say "What?".
I quote something, you say "What?".

But if you can find what issue of Dragon, I'd really like to take a look.