D&D 4E Presentation vs design... vs philosophy

[Garthanos]

I don't think it's fair to point to what is one of the worst designed subclasses in the game as evidence that the system itself isn't providing meaningful choices based on subclass.

Given the mismanagement of martial and the options it has are high on my list as issues with 5e why not?

 

[FrogReaver]

You don’t have to be able to use them every round, but if having them doesn’t change the way your character behaves on a round by round basis, I wouldn’t consider that a meaningfully different feel.

The only thing in 4e that might meet this criteria is at will powers and defender marking. Everything else is once per encounter or once per day.

 

[FrogReaver]

Given the mismanagement of martial and the options it has are high on my list as issues with 5e why not?

Because it doesn't have anything to do with what we are discussing.

 

[Arilyn]

I've never seen a Champion played.

The extra fighting style is nice, but other than that, it's a dull sub class.

 

[Garthanos]

The only thing in 4e that might meet this criteria is at will powers and defender marking. Everything else is once per encounter or once per day.

4 encounter powers and 4 dailies at high level in what is very possibly 4 fights a day... shrug I disagree

 

[FrogReaver]

In theory land the crit fishing to balance decided upon big booms is nice...

Honestly - a high level champion with a flame tongue may put nearly everyone else to shame.

4 encounter powers and 4 dailies at high level in what is very possibly 4 fights a day... shrug I disagree

Still not changing the class on a round by round basis. Not like you can use the same power again and again.

 

[Garthanos]

Still not changing the class on a round by round basis.

Who is changing the class on round by round basis I guess I missed the target on that thought

 

[FrogReaver]

Who is changing the class on round by round basis I guess I missed the target on that thought

The person who I replied to before you quoted me.

 

[Maxperson]

The extra fighting style is nice, but other than that, it's a dull sub class.

I think all the abilities are nice. Boring yes, but the extra crit chance and proficiency to anything physical, and limited fast healing are all very nice abilities.

 

[FrogReaver]

Hmmm. Champion + Flametongue + GWM. I think I'm on to something that will compete with any battlemaster I've ever seen.