Prestiege Class Question

[Beerf]

Sure, but in certain groups, in may be fine for a player to plan on this (in consultation with the DM, that is). It's just not the sort of thing the character would be planning on.

You are correct, and as you can see from Jaxom's early quote he has only been able to get the PC's to -8. The goal of the Player and the DM is to get to the prestige class, the PC does not know this and has done every in his power not to be killed.

 

[Pax]

i've heard of losing a level or permanent ability loss, but death?

Tome and Blood, the Blood Magus Prestige class. Cast Arcane spellsof 3d level or more, and die and be brought back to life. IIRC, those are the only entry requirements.

so essentially you have to find a dragon, not really fight it, and die (i.e. commit suicide). how do you come back? dragons can eat rocks but that doesn't mean they want to.

Presumably, you could die bymeans other than becoming dragon kibble.

You COULD, technically, run naked into the dragosnmouth screaming "eat me yo scaly b*st*rd!" ... and have a hired cleric scheduled to cast True Resurrection a day or a week later (you die naked, ofc, because you don't want to lose any of your GEAR, hehehe).

Or else, if you happen to be killed by a dragon, but your companions managed to kill IT, drag your carcass to a cleric, and get a raise dead ... that'd work too.

I'm guessing it's a dragon-slayer/hunter class, similar to the anti-undead PrC's out there (where you have to have permanently lost a level or ability point, due to an undead creature's attacks and/or special abilities, before you can qualify for the class).

 

[Destil]

I usualy look at that sort of requirement as a Role Playing requirement. And I don't particuarly see any need to stay very hard and fast to the rules when dealing with thoes. The idea is what's important, the spirit of the rule. So as long as your PC is bitter and resentfull of his near death, or has a lot of built up anger and shame or some-such, I'd be fine with it.

 

[Mr Fidgit]

You COULD, technically, run naked into the dragosnmouth screaming "eat me yo scaly b*st*rd!"

LOL!

i just can't imagine what that dragon would be thinking..."it must be some clever trick! no armor or weapons? i won't fall for it! i'm smarter than that!"

 

[Crothian]

LOL!

i just can't imagine what that dragon would be thinking..."it must be some clever trick! no armor or weapons? i won't fall for it! i'm smarter than that!"

So, it teleports you away leaving you very much alive for the moment, until you realize it teleported you into a Beholder's lair. So, you still die, but not by a dragon.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Say, in your quest to be killed by a dragon, don't forget that any creature with the half-dragon template is, technically, a dragon. It'll allow your DM more variety in terms of things trying to kill you.

 

[Pylar]

I know my DM appreciates it when we take time to develop out character background. Especially when we right up a nifty little narrative for it. Maybe you could convince your DM to let you write a background that includes the death of a loved one by a dragon(ie sibling, parent, beloved puppy dog). Yeah I know it's a over used cliche, but it works. And it would qualify you for the PrC requirement of your or a loved ones death by a dragon

 

[Kae'Yoss]

beloved puppy dog

Yea, I can see that! That gets everyone flying into an insane blood frenzy. Slaying every reptilian on the continent, always shouting the war cry at full lungs: "Lassy, thou shalt be avengeth" Someone's got to pay for that!

 

[mantis]

The Vengeance Sworn should have been called "The Riverwind," as the class is pretty clearly tailor-made for that one pre-generated PC from the original Dragonlance campaign. The requirements are just stupid, even apart from the "death (of self or loved one) by dragon" aspect; most of them have no obvious connection to either the powers or the role-playing function of the class:

Skills: Intimidate 5 ranks, Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks, Survival 5 ranks
Feats: Ambidexterity, Two-Weapon Fighting, Combat Expertise
Base Attack Bonus: +6
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level divine spells.
Special: Rage class feature.
Special: Must have been killed by a dragon or had a loved one killed by a dragon.

It works for Riverwind because, aside from having his whole village and its people burned by the red dragon Ember, and being slain himself by the black dragon Onyx (then raised with the True Resurrection capability of the divine magical artifact his lover, Goldmoon, was carrying around at the time), he just happens to begin the campaign (in the 3rd Edition version, at least) as a Barbarian 3/Ranger 2 with the two-weapon ranger combat style and five ranks each in Survival* and Intimidate. All he has to do to qualify is take Combat Expertise and put all his skill points into Knowledge (arcana) when he gains his sixth character level.

*Have you ever heard of a ranger or barbarian who didn't max out Survival? Aside from Belkar Bitterleaf, anyway -- with his Intelligence penalty, the little psychopath probably only gets one or two skill points a level, and he presumably puts most of them into Intimidate, and then Hide or Move Silently, the better to sneak up on people and murder them.

 

[Crothian]

I have no memory of ever posting in this thread. I'm not sure anyone else is even around any more.