psionic refocus

Evilhalfling

Adventurer
Can a psion refocus defensivily?
some psi warrior builds relay on refocusing frequently, and it provokes an AoO
are you doomed to attacking then taking a 5'step back, and refocusing.
 

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Unless errata specifies otherwise, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to.
Premise 1: If use of a skill provokes an AoO, you can roll Concentration DC 15 to use it without doing so.
Premise 2: Regaining psionic focus use of a skill that provokes an AoO.
Conclusion: You can make a DC 15 Concentration check to not provoke an AoO when regaining psionic focus.

The consequence of failure would be that you can't attempt to regain psionic focus, but you do avoid the AoO - just like for defensive casting.
 

If you have pisonic meditation and expanded knowledge (schism), throw the schism up and let it focus for you. Whatever the schism does, it doesn't draw attacks of opportunity. Is that close enough to focusing defensively?
 

I concur:

SRD said:
You can use Concentration to cast a spell, use a spell-like ability, or use a skill defensively, so as to avoid attacks of opportunity altogether.

Nothing in the description of gaining psionic focus, or the XPH errata, disallows this. Thus you can make a DC 15 Concentration check to concentrate defensively, followed by a DC 20 Concentration check to regain psionic focus.
 
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Well I'll be damned... I've never known about that use of Concentration. Too far down on an already over-long skill description. But there, it is.

So umm.. yeah, ignore my original post... you certainly can. Kinda funny that you're making a concentration check to use concentration defensively... but ok.

-The Souljourner
 

Patlin said:
If you have pisonic meditation and expanded knowledge (schism), throw the schism up and let it focus for you. Whatever the schism does, it doesn't draw attacks of opportunity. Is that close enough to focusing defensively?

While I agree that schism 'should' be able to interact with focus somehow, the creator of the power disagrees. (actually, with what he said the power doesnt actually 'do' anything at all)

Still though, if you fail the dc 15 check does that mean that you still must attempt to focus, or does it mean that you lost the action?
 

You lost the action. However, if you expect to make a DC 20 check as a standard part of your combat tactics, failing a DC 15 check with the same skill at the same time should be a rare occurrence.
 

Scion said:
While I agree that schism 'should' be able to interact with focus somehow, the creator of the power disagrees. (actually, with what he said the power doesnt actually 'do' anything at all)
I've seen a lot of references to this over the last week or so, but I haven't found any source. It's not in errata, and a search of the WOTC boards didn't turn up anything immediately useful. I don't suppose you have a link?
 

I found the one about focus, didnt look for the other quotes that say other various things about the power that add up to the power doing nothing though.

Also, as far as I am concerned this ruling simply makes things up and contradicts what is actually written. 'your mind splits into two independent parts' 'each part functions with complete autonomy', nothing about a mind fragment or whatever. No reason to assume that they both couldnt gain focus.

Polaris said:
From: "Bruce Cordell" [Deleted]
Subject: Re: Schism and Focus
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:27:10 -0700
To: "Ian Chapman" [Deleted]


Ian, you are correct--the first principle is that two psionic focuses
may not be held simultaneously, even by a being who benefits from schism.

On Jul 21, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Ian Chapman wrote:

> Dear Bruce,
>
> I know that you have far better things to do than
> answer rules questions, and I realize that you want us
> to go through Customer Service. However, I (and my
> friends) have tried this and all we seem to get is
> poorly thought out answers that border on the truly
> wretched (in terms of quality). I am including my
> original letter to them on this issue along with their
> response. Judge for yourself
>
> OK, rant over Could you please, *please* give us
> an official clarificion on the following questions:
>
> 1. Does Schism allow you to regain your focus with
> that extra standard action?

No, this explicitly not allowed, since the Concentration check to gain psionic focus is a full round action, and schism allows only standard actions, but...

> If so, do you need
> Psionic Meditation to do this?

Strictly speaking, Psionic Meditation turns your full round action into a move action. However, schism is not intended as a method to circumvent the limits of psionic focus--the secondary mind is just not up to the task of regaining psionic focus. As a splinter, it just doesn't have the capacity to attain the clarity of focus necessary. So Psionic Meditation isn't sufficient to the task being asked of it here.


>
> 2. If Schism does allow you to regain your focus
> does it apply to the entire psion or just the
> secondary "mind" (and who can use said focus and what
> does it affect if this is possible at all)?

See above.


> 3. Does Schism allow you to have more than one
> Psionic Focus at a time? If so why and if not why
> not?

It does not (as per first principle). As a splinter of the full mind,
it can't manage the focus necessary to attain true focus.

Take care,

brc

> For the record my position is the legalistic/exclusive
> one, i.e. if a power doesn't explicitly permit
> something, then it is forbidden (thus since Schism
> doesn't allow a second focus, you can't have one), but
> other friends of mine are taking a more liberal view
> judging from the flavor text (i.e. the power gives you
> two minds in one body...so each mind should have a
> focus).
>
> Who's right officially? Again, you have my sincere
> apologies for asking this, but the answer (as I am
> sure you can well imagine) is critical for how a
> Kineticist (to name but one example) could use this
> power.


> Sincerely Yours,
>
> Ian Chapman
>
> P.S. Here's what Customer Service had to say (for
> what it's worth)
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Subject: RE: Expanded Psionics Handbook: Schism and
> Focus
> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:45:02 -0700
> From: "Wizards Customer Service"
> [Deleted] View Contact Details
> To: "Ian Chapman" [Deleted]
>
>
> You cannot gain a second psionic focus through the use
> of this spell.
> Meditating to gain a psionic focus is a full-round
> action, but schism
> allows your second mind to take standard actions only.
>
> Thanks!
>
> *Please quote this e-mail in any reply.*
>
> Darrin
> Wizards of the Coast Customer Service Department
> Wizards of the Coast
> 1-800-324-6496
 

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