Pull up your pants!

[JIMBOTHEBLACK]

And what about the terrible awful facist government oppressing you when it tells you that you cannot walk around naked, hmmm? God forbid they do that.


I know what you mean,I didn't mean anything as extreme as running around with your nether regions blowing in the wind,I just meant fashion,as strange as some of them might be.

 

[Ranger REG]

Just because they're fixing my house plumbing doesn't mean I want to see ugly butt-cracks from guys I don't know.

Then you better take care of your own damn pipes down there.

 

[Ashwyn]

I agree. There is also a time and a place for it.

When and where?

 

[jester47]

ripped jeans and saggin (aka, the providence of Grunge)

I remember the ripped jeans era (ahh the early ninties... I kind of miss those days... Fall 91 wow what a time to be starting high school...). As I recall, it started when the jeans just wore out. At least thats how it went originally. You would have your favorite jeans and one day you would stick them in the washer and tada! the knees were gone because you wore them out from sitting and standing too much. Or maybe you ripped them on somthing and just didn't care cause it was below mid thigh. When the knees disentigrated too much, away went the pants, and you got new unripped ones. This lasted until about 94-95 when people just started ripping them on purpose (or worse, buying them ripped).

Now at some point before people started tearing up perfectly good jeans on purpose some hot girl in the process of making "daisy dukes" cut in the wrong spot and had an epiphany. She realised that if she put a cut in her jeans lust below the right but cheek (but not so high that you could see her underwear, she might get even more attention than if she were to wear the "daisy dukes" because there would only be a hint of what she had to offer. It would work like cleavage and breasts, enough for a hint, but they would never see anything important (which is what really makes men look at breasts). I remember this because it drove me crazy. Any girl that combined this tight jeans, darker makeup, unpermed-but-cared-for hair, a black body suit, doc martens, and a flannel shirt was unstoppable in my book.

But then people started tearing jeans on purpose on purpose. And it stopped being fun. just as 1964-1967 turned into 1968-1974, so 1991-1994 turned into the utter derivative mess that was 1995-2001. Laid back, chill and slightly angry got turned into some kind of crusade of amped up, noisy, rage that just wouldn't stop.

At the same time, sagging was starting. Baggy was in right about summer 93. It hit a big point there. Jncos, and others were on their way up. Previous to about 95-96 the common habit was to have your pants hang off your hips in such a way so that only the wasteband of your underwear showed. This was about 92-93. At the time extra large was the common Tshirt size no matter what size you were. Unless you were bigger than XL, in which case you made sure to add an extra X you did not need to your cloths would look right. This led to some playing around. Occasionally someone would loosen their belt and drop the belt line to just above the edge of the shirt. This would give them sort of a penguin look and they would walk around for a bit. It was never permanent. It was a joke. The next year a new style developed based off this simple principle. Initially it was about an extra inch of underwear. The pants were still hanging off the hips. But as the years went by, it seemed to gain about an inch a year. As I recall, Mark Whalberg (then going by Marky Mark) around 93-94 carried out some antic where he let his pants sag too much and wound up running around with his belt just above his knees and not beyond his boxers. When the 3 inch barrier was broken, it got stupid. At that point no one could hold up thier pants except by walking funny.

And yes, those guys are useless in a fight.

The 3 larval and 3 initial "scene" years of "Grunge" (88-93/94) were amazingly cool. 88-90 no one knew what was going on up here in Seattle (I know, I was in Texas). Alternative was still in the REM/Cure/U2 box. And even up here, I have it on good authority, it was still somthing of a subculture. Nirvana hit, lolapaloosa 1 and 2 happened. 3 on it was stupid. I never went. Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, and marshaled armies of grunge sent the marketers into scramble mode. "How the hell do you market somthing when trashy is hip?" All of this aside this was the greatest cultural change I had a pleasure to experience for only one reason: It was the first, and only, time in my life where to fit in I did not have to change what I was doing or how I was dressing. It was nice, for once, to have the whole world (well, all the parts that mattered to me really: the high schools) change to fit my style.

For a limited time I was given a reprive, I was cool in high school without working on it. This was not going to last forever, and I needed to get ready for college which, unfortunately was going to eat me alive... But I never would have gotten there if I was paying attention to how I dressed around my friends.

 

[Felix]

I know what you mean, I didn't mean anything as extreme as running around with your nether regions blowing in the wind. I just meant fashion, as strange as some of them might be.

Of course you didn't. The devil is in drawing the line. Is it legal to go around wearing fig leaves and nipple-stickers? What about bay leaves? Those Virginians were trying to define the line, and were voted down.

When and where?

Ah, now that is the question, isn't it?

But as long as you recognize that there is a place and time for things, then it follows that there are also places and times to not do that thing. Then you must ask yourself, what are you going to do about it when people stop paying attention to those generally accepted guidelines. Laws are one way of discouraging that behavior. Society changing its guidelines is a way of accomodating dissenting behavior. But just because an action is dissenting doesn't mean society should accomodate it, nor does it mean that the law should forbid it.

So what has happened here? Some Virginian politicians have proposed that the Law should forbid it. Others voted it down. Come the next few election cycles, we'll see what society has to say about changing its guidelines. Works farily smoothly, if you ask me.

 

[JIMBOTHEBLACK]

Of course you didn't. The devil is in drawing the line. Is it legal to go around wearing fig leaves and nipple-stickers? What about bay leaves? Those Virginians were trying to define the line, and were voted down.


Ah, now that is the question, isn't it?

But as long as you recognize that there is a place and time for things, then it follows that there are also places and times to not do that thing. Then you must ask yourself, what are you going to do about it when people stop paying attention to those generally accepted guidelines. Laws are one way of discouraging that behavior. Society changing its guidelines is a way of accomodating dissenting behavior. But just because an action is dissenting doesn't mean society should accomodate it, nor does it mean that the law should forbid it.

So what has happened here? Some Virginian politicians have proposed that the Law should forbid it. Others voted it down. Come the next few election cycles, we'll see what society has to say about changing its guidelines. Works farily smoothly, if you ask me.

I never thought of it that way.

 

[Torm]

Not that I recall seeing anything about "thou shalt not have pants hanging off your butt" as part of your doctrine......

Betcha Torm was rebellious, wore his hair long, decked out in a leather jacket and rode a Harley in his younger days.......

Although I find the style stupid and disgusting, m'self.

Design, order, structure, LAW. Properly fit clothes are orderly, but sloppy "thrown-on" looking stuff, especially that impedes proper movement or proper interaction within society and therefore the proper pursuit of Duty, is Chaotic. Obviously, it isn't important enough to allow it to overwhelm most other concerns, and there are greater laws that preserve the rights of people to dress that way. But a Paladin of Torm would wear well fit jeans.

I did wear a full length black and purple leather jacket. (Gotta have someplace to keep your sword, and my high school frowned on scabbards, so the inner jacket pocket had to be it. They'd have had a total COW if it had been after Columbine. :\ ) But my Duty included things that mandated a multi-passenger vehicle. If I had had such a Special Mount, it would have been a Kawasaki, not a Harley, though - I don't care for bike companies that consider spending large sums of money to be part of the hobby itself. And the only time I wore my hair long was briefly, when Superman did.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Not just Paladins of Torm, but totally RATIONAL people as well..... Granted those who dress sloppy are just itchin' for a huge laugh at their expense should their pants fall.....

I think Harleys are cool but I wouldn't want one. Don't care much for riding one..... but here I thought you'd give the Terminator run for his money for coolness on a 'hog'.....

Do you consider Superman one of your followers? Personally, I'd say so. Dunno abt the "Clark Kent" persona....