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Purchase DC for a Nuke?

Okay, since my boss is working on a D20M book on nuclear weapons, test sites, and ways of using them in a game, I thought I'd get his insight on answering the question. Here's what he scribbled up:


While no one has actually bought or sold a nuke on the white, gray or black markets, there have been numerous instances since 1989 in which people have been caught trying to smuggle and sell sufficient radioactive material to create a critical mass. An nation with a stable of experienced weapon designers could produce a yield-producing nuclear weapon with less than 500g of nuclear material. States with small scale or retired nuclear weapons programs could probably produce a working device with a 4kg critical mass. Those nations just entering the nuclear arms race or still researching their first device would probably produce a weapon requiring a 20kg critical mass. Terrorists, not having the proper funding or equipment to build a properly designed device, would probably require 40-60kg for the critical mass.

April 2004, smugglers were caught trying to move 37kg of Uranium-238 from Russia to Kazakhstan. Fortunately, it turned out to be an alloy of depleted uranium and tungsten used for armor plating, rather than fissile material. Could be used for a dirty bomb.

February 2004, Ukrainian border guard arrested a man attempting to smuggle 400g of Uranium into Hungary. This would barely be enough for a low yield tactical nuke but such a weapon would be well beyond the expertise any terrorist group, as well as most nations seeking nukes.

September 2003, Polish Police broke up a gang attempting to sell two cannisters containing 300g of Cesium each, for 140K Euros per cannister. This would make a sizeable dirty bomb.

August 2003, a Swede was stopped while trying to smuggle 100kg of radioactive ore samples from Russia into Finland. This could make a dirty bomb or be sold to a rogue state that could refine it for a nuclear weapon.

June 2003, a Thai school principal was arrested attempting to sell 30kg of Cesium for $240,000. This would make a big dirty bomb, considering this is an amount comperable to the amount of radioactive cesium Chernobyl spewed into the atmosphere during its meltdown.

January 2003, it was revealed that as much as 1,000 metric tons of heavily irradiated and contaminated scrap metal from Chernobyl had been removed from the 30 km exclusion zone around the ruined nuclear power plant.

October 2002, Russian security seized a shipment of 27,681kg of pelletized enriched uranium. What was thought to be a smuggling operation turned out to be intentional clerical alterations of a Kazakhstani reactor fuel processor meant to defraud the governments of Russia and Kazakhstan of $12.5 million in customs fees.

September 2002, a truck was seized on the Kazakhstani-Chinese border, carrying 900kg of radioactive sand. A private firm in Russia was shipping to a private Chinese buyer radioactive waste in the form of contaminated soil.

March 2002, a Russian citizen was arrested attempting to smuggle 19 kg of Thorium-232 into Kazakhstan. Useful not only for a dirty bomb, but also used in breeder reactors in the fuel enrichment process that produces weapons grade plutonium.

December 2001, Georgian State Security (the former soviet state, not the state in the US) arrested a man trying to smuggle 300g of uranium to Turkey, where he was to be paid $7k for the material. Enough for a dirty bomb, you'd need more for a nuke.

July 2001, French police arrest three men in Paris for smuggling 5 grams of 80% U-235. A year later, a portuguese evangelical pastor was also arrested for his involvment with the smuggling ring.

August 2001, Indian police seize 225g of uranium in Western Bengal. The uranium originated in the USSR, originally processed in 1984. The urnaium was still in the original packaging it left the processing plant in.

January 2001, three metal disks containing plutonium were dug up in a Greek park during an investigation into cigarette smuggling. After intense investigation, it was discovered that the three plates were part of a far larger quantity of plates stolen from a warehouse in Sofia, Bulgaria in May 1999.

In 1994, German police siezed 62g of assorted radioactive materials in an apartment in Tengen, including 6g of purified plutonium-239. Investigation revealed the source was the Bulgarian state-operated trading company KINTEX, which was attempting to sell 100kg of weapons grade plutonium to the Iraqi government.

Also in 1994, German police seized 300g of 87% pure plutonium-239 on a Lufthansa flight from Moscow to Munich. Two spaniards and a columban were arrested for smuggling. Interestingly, Russian Deputy Atomic Energy Minister Viktor Sidorenko was also aboard the flight and conspiracy theorists suggest the three men arrested were his mules to transport the material to propsective buyers.

There has been one instance of a smuggler caught with a working nuclear weapon. In March 2001, Turkish police stopped a car near the Azerbaijan border. Inside was a nuclear artillery shell of Soviet origin.

As we can see, it is vastly easier to steal and smuggle the raw materials for a nuclear weapon or radiological dispersal device, and there has been a great deal of effort in doing so. We can also see that it isn't necessarily low level arms dealers or black marketeers making the effort, either. Various incidents have pointed to state agencies and high ranking government officials participating in these crimes. Another thing we can figure is a price. Buying enough nuclear material for a yield producing weapon will cost at least $6M, and you'll be stuck buying it in small quantities (dozens of buys at DC 20 to DC 28) and accumulating a dangerous and easily detectable stockpile over the course of a few years.
 
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Warlord Ralts said:
Of course, they could always go to Los Alamos and get one. Given the security they've shown in the last few years, the PC's could probably just wheel one right by the guards.

I'd say... Ohhhh...

Hide DC: 4
Sleight of Hand DC: 6

They could just wander in, go downstairs, borrow someone's keycard, open the locker, get it, put it on the dolly, walk it past the guard and into the parking lot, and drive off.

You are not confessing to any particular crimes here...are you Ralts? ;)
 

RangerWickett said:
It bolsters my spirit that people aren't just giving numbers. You're genuinely interested in how dramatic it would be to acquire one of these things, and about the story that would occur, not just the rules and numbers.

Thank you. This restores a bit of my faith in this community of roleplayers. *grin*

Aw, shucks....yer gonna make me cry now. :D


RangerWickett said:
Honestly, though, I don't want my PCs having enough money to buy these things. Stealing them is much more fun.

I agree!
 

Just for compaison, GURPS Vehicles gives the following costs for nuclear weapons:

1 kiloton: $36,000, 10 kilotons: $43,000, 100 kilotons: $52,000, 1 megaton: $70,000

This is from GURPS, which isn't D20. And probably based upon the ability to mass produce the weapons. If you characters are buying "legal" nukes, I'd start with these costs and go up. Illegal nukes can be any price the market can bear.
 

Hmm.
How much money is Osama bin Laden (or whole Al-Qaeda) supposed to have?
Convert this to his Wealth value and add +21 to it. That´s the lower limit for a tactical nuke, I´d think, since as far as we know, he doesn´t own any nukes, but would probably be interested in them.

For your special case on the worth of magic items:
I think 60 Mio. US & is a fair price for a _real_ teleportation device, at least in our world without any observable magic. It might be worth even more, though the question is: How much would anyone be willing to pay? If, see Daimler-Chrysler would know (or believe) they (or any of their market competitioners) would be able to understand the teleportation device and be able to reproduce it, they would certainly be willing to pay a frigging amount of money...
 

Convert this to his Wealth value and add +21 to it. That´s the lower limit for a tactical nuke, I´d think, since as far as we know, he doesn´t own any nukes, but would probably be interested in them.

The fact that he doesn't have one is more likely due to lack of opportunity than lack of money.
 

Or if your lucky your mom begins dating the head of a new research facility that just opened up in your neighborhood. Then take his ID card break into the place and steal the nuclear material you need. Just make sure you replace it with shampoo of the correct color. Then build a bomb and enter it into a science fair. Just make sure your triggering mechanism doesn't accidently activate.
 

Falkus said:
The fact that he doesn't have one is more likely due to lack of opportunity than lack of money.
I hope so, but I fear with enough money you will find someone willing to give you what you want...

But in-game, the lack of oppertunity can only be resolved by being unable to make the required Wealth Check...
:)
I believe everything else would be a house-rule. Not that I would be against it - using Diplomacy, Gather Information or Knowledge (streetwise) checks before being able to make a Wealth check makes a lot of sense. And the rules also don´t cover the police becoming aware of you´re illegal activities...
 

RangerWickett said:
Honestly, I was just trying to see how much one of the most expensive and powerful things in the world would cost, to compare it to how much powerful magic items might cost. Right now, a device that can do something akin to a meteor swarm once per day is worth more than an M1A1 Abrams tank, which I suppose is appropriate.

Finding out prices of nukes is difficult. The closest thing to a man-portable nuclear weapon that anybody's admitted to building is the Davy Crockett, which had a 51 pound warhead. Unfortunately, I can't find a cost specifically for the warhead (the cost without the warhead works out to around $250000 per unit - d20 Modern purchase DC of 37 - but I believe that includes development costs).

A Trident II submarine-launched missile costs a little under $31 million per unit (a d20 Modern purchase DC in the mid 50s, I think), and I believe that includes 8 warheads. Not small enough for a backpack/briefcase nuke.

Of course, if you want a really expensive piece of military hardware, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier will run you about $4.5 billion. No idea what that is as a purchase DC.
 

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