Question on errata and specifically Nature's Favor

[NuSair]

Nature's Favor came out, was errata'ed, then was released again in another book, without much change from the original released pre-errata spell.

Which should/do you use?

 

[delericho]

Ultimately, the DM should use whichever version he likes best - since any and all effects are limited to his game, he gets the call.

However, in general my recommendation would be to use the most recent version, with any errata that were published for that book applied. Which, in the case of nature's favour means the version from the "Spell Compendium", I think.

 

[NuSair]

Ultimately, the DM should use whichever version he likes best - since any and all effects are limited to his game, he gets the call.

However, in general my recommendation would be to use the most recent version, with any errata that were published for that book applied. Which, in the case of nature's favour means the version from the "Spell Compendium", I think.

Yeah, that takes it back up to +5 max and makes it a swift action.

I just compare it to divine favor, and figured they would be the same spell, just one for regular weapons the other for natural weapons.

fwiw, I am the DM... have a druid running wild shape / vow of poverty cheese ... and it ends up he was stacking bonuses he shouldn't have and applying BAB additional attacks to his natural weapons... so, going over his character, buffs, ect with a fine tooth comb. I used to keep a tighter grip on characters, but seeing as this was the first DnD campaign I was running in a very long time (AD&D), and these were adult players...well, I assumed and it bit me in the ass.

 

[delericho]

Yeah, that takes it back up to +5 max and makes it a swift action.

I just compare it to divine favor, and figured they would be the same spell, just one for regular weapons the other for natural weapons.

Note that it's also a 2nd level spell, where divine favor is 1st level. That probably explains the difference in the maximum allowed bonus. (Well, that and also that it only affects animals.)

Incidentally, it is my opinion that virtually any spell that has a casting time of a Swift or Immediate action is questionable at best - that's the equivalent of having the Quicken Spell feat applied, which means that the other effects should be roughly equivalent to a spell four levels lower (which is never the case). But that's just my opinion, and not really related to RAW in any way.

 

[NuSair]

Note that it's also a 2nd level spell, where divine favor is 1st level. That probably explains the difference in the maximum allowed bonus. (Well, that and also that it only affects animals.)

Incidentally, it is my opinion that virtually any spell that has a casting time of a Swift or Immediate action is questionable at best - that's the equivalent of having the Quicken Spell feat applied, which means that the other effects should be roughly equivalent to a spell four levels lower (which is never the case). But that's just my opinion, and not really related to RAW in any way.

Very true....

But when you take a druid's animal companion and start adding up all these buffs, or the druid them self in wildshape- luck, enhancement, morale, untyped, ect... it starts adding up and gets to be a little silly.

Then again, for the better part of a year he was using BAB, giving him and his dire wolf 3 or 4 attacks at insane bonuses.

 

[Empirate]

Well, since Nature's Favor only applies to animals, the Druid can never use it on him/herself (Wildshape doesn't change your creature type, since it's based on the Alternate Form special ability). Casting it on his/her animal companion is fine AFAICS, but it's also of limited use there.