Question on paragon paths.

FurryFighter

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So I want to multi to a 'lock, and that means in its text that I get to pursue the PP. this means I get the special additions at 11th and so on level. does this also mean I can take the powers in that PP, without needing the multiclass adept, acolyte, or novice feat taking to gain those powers?
 

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So I want to multi to a 'lock, and that means in its text that I get to pursue the PP. this means I get the special additions at 11th and so on level. does this also mean I can take the powers in that PP, without needing the multiclass adept, acolyte, or novice feat taking to gain those powers?
To do Paragon Multiclassing, you would need the feats. But that's not what you seem to be going for, you just want to pick a Paragon Path you qualify for thanks to having a multiclass feat.

So yes, you get all the abilities of that Paragon Path. (But you do not get the option of the paragon multiclass, like exchanging an at-will and so on.)
 

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Paragon Multiclassing: That you do need all the multiclass feats (novice, adept, acolyte) for. That let's you get some at-wills for the other class and other powers from the other class.

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Paragon Path of a class you are multiclassed to. To qualify for this, you just need to take that first multiclass feat that makes you get your second class. And by doing so, that is your paragon path, so you get those features/powers/etc.


You seem to be asking about the second type.

Note, in either cases, some power might add to some class feature. But if you don't have that class feature, it won't do you any good. So if you don't have a warlock's curse feature but the paragon path talks about "when you use your warlock curse" you don't suddenly also gain warlock curse.

Of course, your DM may make adjustments as he/she feels appropriate.
 

Okay just for a little clarification for myself:

with warlord, paladin, rogue, or ranger multi, you get the class feature.
with warlock multi, it doesnt say you get any class feature, like warlocks curse, which would be the same as getting those other features in those other classes, since those classes' features are kind like the hinge for those classes, as well as warlock curse being the hinge for the warlock class.

Pact initiate: Multiclass warlock.
Requisite: Cha 13.
Benefit: gain training in one skill from warlock's class list.

Choose a warlock pact. You gain the pact's at will power as an encounter power, and you can pursue the wrlock paragon path based on that pact.

In addition you can use a rod wand or a pact blade as an implement when using a warlock power or warlock paragon path power.

IF I take the paragon path based on pact, will I be able to buy those PP powers without spending more feats, since it is my paragon path that they are in?

It doesnt say you get any class feature, particularly warlock curse.

When you choose a pact, these are the conditions:

At will spells: your pact determinse one of the at will spells you know. (this at will is modified to an encounter, by the multiclass ruling)

pact boon: Each pact includes a pact boon. the pact boon is a granted power you can use to further hex your enemies.

The pact you take also provudes bonuses to certain warlock powers. individual powers detail the effects (if any) your eldritch pact selection has on them.


Now, lets look at the pact boons.

Fey pact:

Misty Step: You have the misty step pact boon. You instantly transform into silver mist that streams a short distance and reforms, allowing you to flee or maneuver to set up a deadly attack.

When an enemy under your warlock's curse is reduced to <= 0 hp, you can immediately teleport 3 squares as a free action.
Infernal pact:

Dark One's blessing: You instantly gain vitality from a cursed enemy when that enemy falls.

When an enemy under your warlocks curse is reduced to <= 0 HP, you immediately gain temporary hit points equal to your level.

Star Pact:

Fate of the void: Your curse intermingles with the lost vitality of a cursed enemy to reveal a glimpse of the future to you.

When an enemy under your warlocks curse is reduced to <= 0 HP, gain +1 bonus to any single d20 roll you make during your next turn. (the rest of it is omitted here)

Okay, so looking at these, it seems to imply that the first sentences next to the boon are flavor text, while the next sentence that is indented is the mechanic. Therefor, looking at it, pact boons only work with warlock curse? Is this correct? If so, then pact boons are nullified as usable, despite being part of your chosen pact. So the mechanic of pact boons cant be used unless that condition is fulfilled..

On to paragon paths. I will skip the non-relevant stuff (the stuff that doesnt hinge on warlock curse).

Warlock class star pact PP:
Doomsayer's action (11th level): When you spend an extra action point to take an extra action, you also deal the extra damage of your warlocks curse to all of your enemies currently affected by it.
Fey pact PP:
Patron's Favor (16th level): Use patron's favor in place of your misty step when an enemy under your curse drosp to <= 0 H. rolld 1d6. use the benefit you rolled or any result lower than that on the list below:
1 or 2: use misty step as normal.
3 immediately make a saving throw.
4 teleport 10 as a free action.
5 gain +2 speed until end of your next turn.
6 roll d8s instead of d6s for your warlocks curse extra damage until end of encounter.
infernal pact PP:
collect life spark (11th level): If.. warlocks curse.. enemy .. <= 0 Hp, take portion of life energy.. minor.. spend.. gain benefit based on creatures origin...



So to be clear, all these things are rendered useless, right? On Fey pact in particular, PP slashing wake requires teleport to work, which fey pact boon would do, but that cant be used because you dont get warlock curse when you multi.

If I have doomsayer PP, do I have to spend feats to learn the Doomsayer SPells (powers), of my own paragon path? Warlock multi says I can pursue the PP of the pact type. Does that mean I can buy fates entwined, accursed shroud, and long fall into darkness without having to spend multi feats from page PHB P. 209, since they belong to my PP?

So, it looks like pact boons, which are given to you by selecting a pact, do not work, since you arent told you are given warlocks curse class feature. Some PPPs do not work, since they require warlocks curse. This is correct?
 
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Multi-classing into warlock can be problematic. Why do you want to be a warlock, there may be other alternatives that you could use.

status anomaly effects (lower save, lower hit, lower damage, stun, immobil, etc) of enemy. + having a different damage type, should anything be weak to psychic or fire or whatever. range, multiple units, basically striker and effects and range.

Range.
Cha based damage.
negative status effects.
multiple unit hits.
different damage types.
teleporting.
 
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Okay, but, those are reasons to -be- a Warlock, not multiclass -into- Warlock.

Charisma-- are you a Paladin, or a Bard, or a Sorcerer?

What's the big picture here? Is this all just a big 'DC+Eyebite' thing?
 

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