Quick answer needed! Grapple & Flurry!

[RigaMortus2]

Grapple checks are not a monk weapon, and it's debatable whether or not they count as unarmed strikes

Well, the rules state a grapple provokes an AoO because it's an unarmed strike.

It never really specifies WHY you provoke an AoO from attempting a grapple, it states:

Step 1

Attack of Opportunity. You provoke an attack of opportunity from the target you are trying to grapple. If the attack of opportunity deals damage, the grapple attempt fails. (Certain monsters do not provoke attacks of opportunity when they attempt to grapple, nor do characters with the Improved Grapple feat.) If the attack of opportunity misses or fails to deal damage, proceed to Step 2.

No reason why you provoke an AoO, just that you do provoke one...

 

[Darklone]

... not to mention in this case the paragraph about the AoO is pretty moot since I don't think monks go into grapples who don't have Imp Grapple...

I guess this is clearly one of the cases where the designers didn't think half as long about these rules as we do because it "was clear" to them.

 

[just__al]

See, when I first scanned through the topics in the rules forum, I saw "Quick! Grapple a Furry!" not "Grapple & Flurry!". I was prepared to be duly horrified...

and yet you opened the thread anyway. I bet you are one of those people that slow down to look at the accidents on the highway.

 

[Franky]

I'm a tad confused.

are we asking :

a) can we make Grapple checks on every attack in a flurry ?
or
b) can a flurry be made while Grappled/Grappling ?

and to be honest .. I'm going for Yes on Both ... I go to watch Karate twice a week and a punch or other attack can always be turned to a grab and throw, followed by a punch or two on the way down.

as for b) .. well once you have someone grappled, the rules I'm sure state that a flurry can be made with any body part, so .. flurry of head-butts it is if you are using both arms and legs to grab and hold ..

you watch kick boxing match, if they get tired and grapple, watch the knees fly into the stomach .. nasty. !