Quick crit question

[DarkLord Of DForce]

Okay, I understand that if you crit, but the number doesn't total up to an actual "hit" on the target, that the crit then becomes a normal hit.

What about effects that usually happen on a crit? Do they apply still, or are they also negated?

(like prone from Assault boots, or dazed from Justice Hammer, etc...)

Thanks!

 

[abyssaldeath]

Okay, I understand that if you crit, but the number doesn't total up to an actual "hit" on the target, that the crit then becomes a normal hit.

What about effects that usually happen on a crit? Do they apply still, or are they also negated?

(like prone from Assault boots, or dazed from Justice Hammer, etc...)

Thanks!

If you didn't roll high enough to crit then how is it suppose to trigger crit effects? Anything that happens on a crit happens only if you crit. If you roll a 20, but don't have enough bonuses to actually hit the enemy then you did not crit.

 

[Black Knight Irios]

If you didn't roll high enough to crit then how is it suppose to trigger crit effects? Anything that happens on a crit happens only if you crit. If you roll a 20, but don't have enough bonuses to actually hit the enemy then you did not crit.

This.

 

[Joshua Randall]

You should also be aware of the following obscure rule. I think it's in PH4.

Critical Hit
Natural 20: If you roll a 20 on the die when making an attack roll, you score a critical hit if your total attack roll is high enough to hit your target’s defense. If your attack roll is too low to score a critical hit, you still hit automatically.

Justice Is Served: If you roll a 20 on the die when making an attack roll, but your total attack roll isn't high enough to hit your target's defense, you are allowed to smack your DM upside the back of the head for pitting your PC against monsters whose defenses are way too high.

Uh, yeah. I'm totally making this up.

 

[DarkLord Of DForce]

Thanks for the replies gang. About what I thought. I just wasn't sure that the crit "effects" wouldn't work in the same way that effects worked on an attack power that missed.

and loved that last reply - spot on!

 

[NMcCoy]

On the other hand, I've canceled a crit or two against my PC. Sudden Scales is a wonderful power.

 

[MarkB]

Justice is Served

That's a little harsh. My 15th-level wizard makes opportunity attacks as unarmed strike, with a +7 to hit. At those levels, I can easily expect to be fighting critters with ACs into the 30s, so if one of them provokes an OA from me, I'm out of luck unless I roll a 20.

 

[Dice4Hire]

That's a little harsh. My 15th-level wizard makes opportunity attacks as unarmed strike, with a +7 to hit. At those levels, I can easily expect to be fighting critters with ACs into the 30s, so if one of them provokes an OA from me, I'm out of luck unless I roll a 20.

Good point. Needing a 20 should not be necessary at low to mid heroic, but after that, MBAs can falls seriously behind, not to mention RBA's which many characters are really bad at. If they can do them at all.