Quickdraw

[Sitara]

Posting in another thread I realized something I mean tot ask before; since someone with a +1BAB can draw their weapon as part of a move action, what use is quickdraw to someone with a full BAB?

 

[moritheil]

Posting in another thread I realized something I mean tot ask before; since someone with a +1BAB can draw their weapon as part of a move action, what use is quickdraw to someone with a full BAB?

Iterative attacks with throwing weapons. Also qualifies you for some PrCs/feats.

 

[Deset Gled]

Getting a full attack after you've been disarmed, or after dropping your weapon if you fail a disarm or trip attempt. Switching weapons mid-battle when fighting enemies with different DRs. Switching from ranged weapons to melee weapons (or from reach to normal weapons, if playing with a more restrictive TWF ruling) without losing a full attack. Getting off an attack in a surprise round when caught without a weapon in hand. Pulling out a new weapon after you've lost one to a rust monster or ooze.

I'm sure there are even more that Moritheil and myself haven't thought of.

 

[Aidan Milvus]

Well, say you're going toe-to-toe with an earth elemental who just sundered your sword. Your turn, you quickdraw another weapon and still get your full attack on.

I'll second the throwing mention.

Also, with quickdraw and TWF, you can draw both as a free action.

Say you drop your melee opponent with your first hit, but have more attacks available. Drop your sword, quick draw your bow and shoot another opponent.

 

[Sitara]

So what would be the benefits from level 1-5, when a greatsword weilding fighter has no iterative attacks? He doesn't need quickdraw to charge if he starts a battle with weapon sheathed does he?

 

[Hypersmurf]

He doesn't need quickdraw to charge if he starts a battle with weapon sheathed does he?

To charge, he does.

With a BAB of +1, you can combine drawing a weapon with a regular move. A charge is not a regular move.

-Hyp.

 

[Klaus]

So what would be the benefits from level 1-5, when a greatsword weilding fighter has no iterative attacks? He doesn't need quickdraw to charge if he starts a battle with weapon sheathed does he?

Yes, he does. A charge is a full-round action, and drawing a weapon can be combined with a move action.

A low-level fighter (or rogue) can fire a bow in the surprise round, then quick draw his greatsword and charge the enemy in the first round.

 

[werk]

So what would be the benefits from level 1-5, when a greatsword weilding fighter has no iterative attacks? He doesn't need quickdraw to charge if he starts a battle with weapon sheathed does he?

That's basically the crux, he needs a move action to combine it with...that's really restrictive. Quickdraw removes a lot of those restrictions and adds enhanced functionality...

If you have a DM that believes that it is underpowered you can usually convince them to allow a little more functionality too, like quickdrawing wands and potions, quick-sheathe...the cheese goes on and on...

 

[irdeggman]

Yes, he does. A charge is a full-round action, and drawing a weapon can be combined with a move action.

This is a common error (most likely a carry over from 3.0) it is not combined with a move action it as part of movement. There is a big difference.

Without this feat, you may draw a weapon as a move action, or (if your base attack bonus is +1 or higher) as a free action as part of movement. Without this feat, you can draw a hidden weapon as a standard action.

If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you may draw a weapon as a free action combined with a regular move. If you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, you can draw two light or one-handed weapons in the time it would normally take you to draw one.

Basically you must physically move (not merely be using a move action) and technically a 5 ft step does not qualify as movement.

Not an Action: Some activities are so minor that they are not even considered free actions. They literally don’t take any time at all to do and are considered an inherent part of doing something else.

5 ft step and delay fall under this catgory.

 

[mvincent]

A charge is not a regular move.

While I agree, that is subject to some interpretation (i.e. some DM's might view it as such, and I would not fault them for it).