Quiver of Elhonna (sp?)

[Gregor]

I was taking a look at the Quiver of Elhonna in my DMG and I had a thought. The item states that it resembles a normal quiver which has 3 individual slots. One slot has the capacity to hold up to 60 arrows, bolts etc (I think). One slot can hold something like 18-20 javelin-sized objects (dont quote me on the number) and one slot can be used to hold 6 bow sized objects.

My question is, could a character use this quiver to place arrows in all slots? For example, maybe carry 60 arrows in each slot? If so, that would be fantastic and for 1,800 gp it would be a steal. Has anyone tried this before?

My apologies in advance if there is a similar thread out there.

Cheers,

 

[Damon Griffin]

I was taking a look at the Quiver of Elhonna in my DMG and I had a thought. The item states that it resembles a normal quiver which has 3 individual slots. One slot has the capacity to hold up to 60 arrows, bolts etc (I think). One slot can hold something like 18-20 javelin-sized objects (dont quote me on the number) and one slot can be used to hold 6 bow sized objects.

My question is, could a character use this quiver to place arrows in all slots? For example, maybe carry 60 arrows in each slot?

My assumption is that this would work, but not well. Unlike the "handy haversack", items don't conveniently float to the top of the quiver, so what you'd probably find is that if you stored arrows in the "bow" compartment, they'd fall to the bottom of the extradimensional space in that section of the quiver, and you'd have to reach WAAAY down -- say, halfway down a six-foot deep compartment, meaning you'd be in it up to your shoulder -- in order to reach the arrows.

You might only have to reach in as far as your elbow to retrieve arrows from the middle compartment.

In either case, you might conceivably get around the problem by using some kind of lightweight object to fill up the lower part of the second and third compartments; perhaps hollow wooden frames that just take up space and leave just enough room at the top of the bow and javelin compartments for arrows.

Having suggested that, I'm going to go try it myself. My character has a Quiver of Elhonna, but never uses anything like javelins or sport spears, and has been known to run out of arrows once or twice (not hard when you are firing off three per round in almost every combat.) I'll still keep the large compartment for storing bows and quarterstaves, but that middle compartment can be converted for arrows.

 

[Maitre Du Donjon]

I've always assumed that the javelin section was javelin-deep, and the bow section was bow-deep... so if you want to retrieve an arrow from the javelin section, you'll have to stick your arm in the quiver just to get to the arrows...

Maitre D

 

[Gregor]

So then technically you could fit as many arrows as would be equal in to volume 6 bows in the third slot?

 

[Rackhir]

It's basically a DM rulling thang. Either the one item per slot or the "equivalent" space/size rule could reasonably apply. Since the items are not really taking up the "space", you can argue it fairly both ways.

Griffon is partially wrong about things not "floating" to the top like in a HHH. At least for the arrow slots, you do get what ever arrow you want when you reach back.

As regards the other slot's capacity. Javelins weigh roughly 3lb each and bundles of 20 arrows weigh 1.5 lb a piece s(IIRC) so I would estimate the javelin slots could hold something like 240 extra arrows (6 javelin Slots right?).

Finally there is the option of simply getting/making etc. perhaps, simply a QoE that has just bow and arrow slots. I would keep the bow slots for extra bows. You will almost certainly want an extra bow/different bow eventually and it's a handy way to take care of that.

 

[Steverooo]

This question just KEEPS coming up!

Personally, I would rule that a QoE can hold 60 arrows, max. You want more, you buy another. My character has two. You need more than 120 arrows, get a Heward's Handy Haversack to store normal quivers in...

 

[Damon Griffin]

Personally, I would rule that a QoE can hold 60 arrows, max. You want more, you buy another.

Why?

The number of arrows that might be stored in a bag of holding, a handy haversack or a portable hole (take precautions against puncturing any of these, of course) is limited only by the total capacity of the bag/sack/hole. There are no artificial restrictions that say, "regardless of the item's total capacity, no more than [some number of] arrows may be stored within." And why would there be? I can't imagine any in-game reasoning for doing so.

Why should the Quiver of Elhonna be any different? We've already suggested that the second and third compartments, being deeper, may not be as suitable for arrows as for larger items, but they are just empty space. If I wanted to store wands in the arrow compartment, magic rods in the second and magic staves in the third, I could do so. To the quiver, they're all just big sticks anyway.

At the moment I'm using the middle compartment as a very low capacity bag of holding; it holds things like a coil of rope, a change of clothes and my bowmaking tools. I'm probably going to empty it out and start using that second compartment for arrows, though, because I seem increasingly likely to run out of arrows during a combat.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

BTW: is there any errata out for the Quiver?

 

[Damon Griffin]

BTW: is there any errata out for the Quiver?

Nope. At least, not in Wizard's currently posted copy of errata for the DMG. I just looked at it a few minutes ago.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Why should the Quiver of Elhonna be any different? We've already suggested that the second and third compartments, being deeper, may not be as suitable for arrows as for larger items, but they are just empty space.

"The first and smallest one can contain up to 60 objects of the same general size and shape as an arrow. The second slightly longer compartment holds up to 18 objects of the same general size and shape as a javelin. The third and longest portion of the case contains as many as six objects of the same general size and shape as a bow (including spears, staffs, etc.)."

As far as I'm concerned, it's a magic item designed to hold certain things.

A coil of rope is not "an object of the same general size and shape as a javelin". You want to store a coil of rope in extra-dimensional space, buy a Haversack.

The Quiver is not a general purpose storage device. It gives fairly clear restrictions on what goes in each compartment.

-Hyp.