Prestidigitalis
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I'd add Barbarian to the list of classes for the Longtooth Shifter. It works very well both thematically and mechanically.
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Race/Class combinations and setting implications
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Angellis_ater
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Hiya! Nice to see some responses to all of this.
Now since I've been DMing 4th Edition since it was released, I am very well versed in understanding how the Abilities aren't everything and how some race/class combinations can still be effective, especially adding in how certain feats interact with the classes. However, the basic premise of the posts are just that - what if the ability scores defined the roles of the races in the setting. Thus, the above assessments.
Also, an assessment which looks at the 2300+ feats and interacts those feats with the race/class combinations, or just adding in Hybrids into the mix, would make things insanely complex. I choose to keep things just a little bit sane
I can agree with the fact that some choices/suggestions are very subjective - as someone mentioned a "Bear Shaman Dwarf" might very well be a conservative Ancestor Shaman more than a "nature/woodsy" type. However, that Wisdom bonus does tend to style the Dwarves as far more mystical than they are portrayed in general "fluff".
@Sharkon: No, I refer to the class "Assassin" as portrayed in Dragon Magazine.
Now since I've been DMing 4th Edition since it was released, I am very well versed in understanding how the Abilities aren't everything and how some race/class combinations can still be effective, especially adding in how certain feats interact with the classes. However, the basic premise of the posts are just that - what if the ability scores defined the roles of the races in the setting. Thus, the above assessments.
Also, an assessment which looks at the 2300+ feats and interacts those feats with the race/class combinations, or just adding in Hybrids into the mix, would make things insanely complex. I choose to keep things just a little bit sane
I can agree with the fact that some choices/suggestions are very subjective - as someone mentioned a "Bear Shaman Dwarf" might very well be a conservative Ancestor Shaman more than a "nature/woodsy" type. However, that Wisdom bonus does tend to style the Dwarves as far more mystical than they are portrayed in general "fluff".
@Sharkon: No, I refer to the class "Assassin" as portrayed in Dragon Magazine.
Sharkon
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Hiya! Nice to see some responses to all of this.
Now since I've been DMing 4th Edition since it was released, I am very well versed in understanding how the Abilities aren't everything and how some race/class combinations can still be effective, especially adding in how certain feats interact with the classes. However, the basic premise of the posts are just that - what if the ability scores defined the roles of the races in the setting. Thus, the above assessments.
Also, an assessment which looks at the 2300+ feats and interacts those feats with the race/class combinations, or just adding in Hybrids into the mix, would make things insanely complex. I choose to keep things just a little bit sane
I can agree with the fact that some choices/suggestions are very subjective - as someone mentioned a "Bear Shaman Dwarf" might very well be a conservative Ancestor Shaman more than a "nature/woodsy" type. However, that Wisdom bonus does tend to style the Dwarves as far more mystical than they are portrayed in general "fluff".
@Sharkon: No, I refer to the class "Assassin" as portrayed in Dragon Magazine.
can you tell me which one exactly ? i would be gratefull
Angellis_ater
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I believe it was presented in DM379 for the first time.
Angellis_ater
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Just thinking - how does the fluff of the races change if one assumes that the above stated "class-synergy" reflects on the race as well? Dragonborn come across as definite "societal leaders", embracing different ways of the Dragon.
I think you've gotten the eladrin wrong. Due to lack of Int/Con race (not counting MM Githyanki) Eladrin make arguably the best Int/Con Swordmages and Artificers, and they have the best feat suport for Tactical Warlords (and are, IMO, on par with Genasi, or a bit better), while they don't shine so much as Wizards (Humans, Thiefling, Genasi, Deva, Gnome, Githzerai, Shardmind are all better choices, if by a small margin).
What fluff, though, can you get from race that favors Swordmages, Artificers, Warlords and Wizards?
What fluff, though, can you get from race that favors Swordmages, Artificers, Warlords and Wizards?
Angellis_ater
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Well, I've been looking exclusively at the Ability modifiers for the Class/Race-combinations and unfortunately, the Eladrin don't have a Con modifier. Whatever feat support might be in existance generally twists these things very much - since some feats are much better than others.
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