Ranking of d20 Publishers

trancejeremy said:
Well, it is somewhat subjective.

But you can see the average ratings of the reviews of companies here

http://www.enworld.org/reviews/publishers.php

You can't list them by rating, but you can go through and see which companies have a lot of products and still have a high rating. I would imagine Green Ronin is probably at the top of the list.

The only way to get a semi-valid top 10 would be to look at sales or shelf-space in stores, and that really just tells you who is biggest/most commercially successful. Using reviewer scores produces some weird results because it dooms the big publishers to have middling scores (large sample sizes will more closely resemble a standard distribution and push their mean score towards the average (3.0-3.5 seems to be an average review since reviews seem more inclined to give 4s than 2s).) whereas the small publishers are the most likely to be the outlyiers (the 1.0-2.5 range and the 4.5-5.0 range). My apologies if my statistical terminology is off. I haven't taken a stats course in twelve years.

After looking over the lists, I noticed that most of the bigger publishers which I usually think of as reliable and high quality seem to have large numbers of publications and 50+ reviews. The known "big boys" tended to have average scores between 3.5 and 4.3... which makes sense. With a large product range, some variation in quality is likely to occur and the possibility for poor reviews of occasional products increases dramatically (i.e. you can't please all the people all the time), so they should average well above 3 (showing their overall appeal) but not extremely high (due to the more extreme scores neutralizing each other in the calculation of the mean score).

I would say that as a starting point any producer with a large number of products reviewed and an average score over 3.3 is doing something right and deserves a look. As you move to companies with fewer reviewed products (some small guys make great stuff), you could make your requirements somewhat more stringent, scaling up to perhaps 4.0 average for very small numbers of books.

Do keep in mind this is just a suggestion to help narrow your search. There may well be some company that failed to make this arbitrary cut that makes products that are quite enjoyed by some players and are exactly what you want. Only you know what you enjoy and only you can judge what is quality product to you.

Product reviews are a good way of assessing what is likely to be a mechanically sound and probably usable product. A product that consistantly gets 1 or 2 out of 5 probably has some serious game mechanics problems, but reaching the magical 5 of out 5 usually requires the product to have some special appeal to the reviewer. It may or may not have that appeal for you. Whether a product will have that special something that makes you in particular thing "this is so cool; I must have it" is something only you can assess. A large number of high reviewer scores should tell you only one thing: this product holds appeal to a significant number of gamers. That score does not tell you if you are one of them (but maybe it is worth looking at it to see if you are).

My advice is too comb through several companies' products, as many as you can get your hands on. Assess if they tend to produce products that appeal to you. Odds are that if they are doing so now, future products will also tend to, but do give them another chance after some time has passed. Companies that survive in this industry tend to learn from their mistakes and learn to make better product (or at least product with wider appeal).

"Best" is really a subjective assessment that each gamer must make for him/herself.
 

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The Sigil said:
(threadjack...)

DaveMage...

Thank you ever so much for reminding me of the Wiggles. I thought at work I could at least escape them for a while... guess I was wrong...

(/threadjack)


Wiggles d20 coming soon...

I wonder what the stats on the feathersword would be? A paladin could summon the Big Red Car once per day... :lol:
 

DaveMage said:
I'd say The Game Mechanics gets half a point since their print products are published by Green Ronin (though I *really* like what they did with Thieves' Quarter - great stuff).

If we're giving out half points ;) Green Ronin also published the ENnie winning Sidewinder: Recoiled by Dog House Rules.
 


Quick data crunch

Okay, here's a quick number-crunch of the data on the publishers page.

Eliminated from this list are: Publishers with 5 or fewer products released, Publishers with average reviews of 3.5 or less.

Here's the long list:

Publisher # Of Products Avg Rating
DireKobold.com 17 5.00 Superb
Tyranny Games 6 5.00 Superb
Cryptosnark Games 5 4.80 Superb
Dog House Rules 5 4.44 Good
Malladins Gate 7 4.41 Good
Hero Games 18 4.33 Good
Holistic Design 12 4.33 Good
Mad Kaiser Games 8 4.33 Good
Citizen Games 8 4.29 Good
Privateer Press 8 4.22 Good
Malhavoc Press 37 4.21 Good
Bad Axe Games 8 4.18 Good
Darkfuries 15 4.17 Good
Creative Mountain Games 24 4.10 Good
Green Ronin Publishing 66 4.09 Good
Kenzer & Co 62 4.07 Good
E.N. Publishing 26 4.06 Good
Fantasy Flight Games 59 4.05 Good
Necromancer Games 39 4.03 Good
Fiery Dragon Productions 34 4.02 Good
QuikLink 11 4.00 Good
Guildhouse Games 8 4.00 Good
S T Cooley Publishing 7 4.00 Good
Behemoth3 6 4.00 Good
Paradigm Concepts 21 3.97 Average
Dark Quest Games 23 3.96 Average
Guardians of Order 16 3.94 Average
Eden Studios 6 3.94 Average
The Game Mechanics 10 3.93 Average
Silverthorne Games 16 3.90 Average
Sword & Sorcery Studios 51 3.85 Average
Atlas Games 38 3.85 Average
Living Imagination 7 3.84 Average
Expeditious Retreat Press 13 3.80 Average
Mystic Eye Games 42 3.79 Average
Ancient Awakenings Pub. 5 3.78 Average
UKG Publishing 19 3.75 Average
Gold Rush Games 9 3.75 Average
Oriflam 9 3.75 Average
Pinnacle Entertainment Gp. 18 3.74 Average
Wizards of the Coast 128 3.71 Average
Bastion Press 42 3.71 Average
RPGObjects 42 3.69 Average
Goodman Games 33 3.67 Average
Sovereign Press 15 3.67 Average
DaemonEye Publishing 5 3.67 Average
Alderac Entertainment Gp. 90 3.63 Average
Ronin Arts 171 3.62 Average
Mongoose Publishing 165 3.60 Average
Monkey God Enterprises 25 3.60 Average
Dark Portal Games 7 3.57 Average
Anubium 5 3.50 Average
Interactive Design Adv. 5 3.50 Average

As has already been noticed, having a large number of releases (and therefore, a large number of reviews) pushes a company down on the list.

Now going down this list, you can see that some companies do rise head and shoulders above the rest, defying the general trend.

Malhavoc, Green Ronin, Kenzer, Fantasy Flight, Sword and Sorcery.

(Now keep in mind... this data is HIGHLY suspect. There are some EXCELLENT companies that aren't part of this list.)

Now here's another tiny correlation to have a look at:

Malhavoc - Monte Cook
Green Ronin - Chris Pramas
Sword and Sorcery - Well, white wolf...

What do you learn from this list? Experience matters. Look in the book. See who's involved. What have they worked on before? Have you heard of them? It's important.

Kenzer and Fantasy Flight don't have that, but hey... you gotta start somewhere.

Also, there's no substitute for sitting down and actually READING some books... a random page ought to tell you whether they know how to put a paragraph together.

And finally, Jim would have my head if I didn't mention that BASTION PRESS puts out some really nifty products. Torn Asunder is the only add-on critical hit system I've seen that's actually fun to play, and Oathbound is, in my opinion, the ideal DnD setting. All the stuff that makes no sense in the "Real World" makes sense in the Forge.
 

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