Rant about the cover of the 4e Player's Handbook

another carbon copy of your other stuff.

I suspect that WotC is trying really hard to have a very unified visual aesthetic for the entire 4e product line. All of the players handbooks look about the same, as do the power books, etc. I don't personally care that much for the individual examples, but I think its pretty clear that the art is being subservient to the needs of product identity.
 

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Yeah no DS PG. I'm glad the art is still turning up somewhere tho.

I like the 4E covers. The 2 adventurer's, weapons ready, warily exploring a dungeon works fine for me. The tie in with the dragon scrying on them from the DMG cover is great too. They have good reason to be wary, a dragon is sneaking a view.

I don't think the cover displays that women are just sex objects and men are all hulking beasts. He IS a hulking beast, but he is a Dragonborn, kinda comes with the territory. Also, while she does show off a bit, she is far more dressed than many of our historical D&D examples of art. She also looks like if you tried to call her Toots and grab her ass she would melt your face off.

I also don't see what is the problem with wanting to be that guy. You're trying to get people interested in the game. For many people, they get a good shot of how cool someone looks and decide they want to do that.
 

"I want to be that guy!"
rather than
"I want to be THERE!"

Carl

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I want to be that guy....AND I want to be there! It is certainly possible to have both in the same piece...and Wayne Reynolds can provide it with the right art direction.
 

I don't think the cover displays that women are just sex objects and men are all hulking beasts. He IS a hulking beast, but he is a Dragonborn, kinda comes with the territory. Also, while she does show off a bit, she is far more dressed than many of our historical D&D examples of art. She also looks like if you tried to call her Toots and grab her ass she would melt your face off.

I admit she's an improvement over Larry Elmore's typical fare, but Larry Elmore is the poster child (pun intended) for sexist fantasy art, so that isn't saying much. She's still got breasts bulging out of a top which is apt to have a wardrobe malfunction next time she takes a deep breath. The pose isn't too bad, but it's still clearly calculated to show off her breasts and butt - look at the way her torso is angled, and compare it to the dragonborn's. And she's proportioned like a porn star.

I have no problem with sexy women on the cover of the PHB, but as I said before, there's a difference between sexy and sex object.

As far as the "hulking beast" thing goes, I don't have so much of a problem there. I don't think the dragonborn is playing to male stereotype particularly, I just think he looks stupid.

I also don't see what is the problem with wanting to be that guy. You're trying to get people interested in the game. For many people, they get a good shot of how cool someone looks and decide they want to do that.

Nothing wrong with that, but I would never in a million years want to be that guy. He looks like a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle gone horribly wrong. I might want to be the tiefling in the other picture, after tail removal surgery.

As PPaladin points out, the Character Record Sheets picture would be quite a lot better for the cover of the PHB. I still don't like Wayne Reynolds's cartoonish faces or his lurid color palette, and the female character's pose is still off, but she is at least reasonably clad (I think - the scan is too low-res to be sure), and the scene is exciting and engaging.
 
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Reynolds paints like a man possessed. His output is undeniably high quality, like it or not, and it seems to grace the covers of just about every official book or pathfinder i've seen.

But that dragonborn just looks idiotic. I actually scanned an image from the FR character guide, this one, and taped it over my PHB just so i wouldn't have to look at it.

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She's still got breasts bulging out of a top which is apt to have a wardrobe malfunction next time she takes a deep breath. The pose isn't too bad, but it's still clearly calculated to show off her breasts and butt - look at the way her torso is angled, and compare it to the dragonborn's. And she's proportioned like a porn star.

The butt which we can't actually see (unlike in a lot of fantasy art) b/c it is obscured by her skirt. Yes the skirt is slit high up the sides, but running thru dungeons, that just sounds better as far as unrestricted movement.

The breasts are like a full C really, possibly a D. Sorry, that isn't porn star proportions. Heck, it isn't even Barbie proportions! (prior to her proportions being made more realistic) She's also rather tall. Her pose says to me that she is in the process of turning to face a new enemy and advancing toward them. Where other people are seeing "stupid pose", I'm seeing "implied action".

As far as the "hulking beast" thing goes, I don't have so much of a problem there. I don't think the dragonborn is playing to male stereotype particularly, I just think he looks stupid.

No, but the OP did :)

As PPaladin points out, the Character Record Sheets picture would be quite a lot better for the cover of the PHB. I still don't like Wayne Reynolds's cartoonish faces or his lurid color palette, and the female character's pose is still off, but she is at least reasonably clad (I think - the scan is too low-res to be sure), and the scene is exciting and engaging.

I actually had to track down an enlargeable copy of the cover art from someone's blog from 2008 about why they hate the cover (so fitting really) so that I could blow it up a bit here at work and look at it in better detail.

I like the art from the CRB and agree it would have made a good PHB cover. Obviously whoever was making those decisions at WotC didn't agree with that and continues to not agree with that, given the recent DSCS art changes.
 

(Note that the distinction between sexy and sex object is an important one. It's the difference between "tough, competent adventuring woman who's really hot" and "stripper who happens to be carrying a sword." Hint: If she's about to pop out of her top, she's not an adventurer.)
Read: "My conception of how an imaginary fantasy world populated by magical elves works is the right one."
 

Read: "My conception of how an imaginary fantasy world populated by magical elves works is the right one."

*blink*

I think I should be annoyed at that comment, but I'm mostly just confused. I was talking about the way a female character is portrayed on a book cover, not the internal physics of the game world described within that book. Are you saying that she's not about to pop out of her top because it's a +3 Top of Nipple Coverage, and that this is apparent to the viewer in some way?
 
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