D&D 4E Rant on the 4E "Presentation"

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I would guess that people are comparing the experience they had with 3rd edition, remembering all the info that was available then (and probably forgetting how quickly all that became available).

Not probably, definitely misremembering. Eric Noah himself has swung by to explain that we didn't have even this much data available this early on, and people still didn't believe it.

 

[hopeless]

Excuse me...

I wasn't bothered much by the video, what bothered me was that they were basing their demonstration using a system that promptly failed them during the show they announced it.

Aren't you the least bit worried that in December and January their first choice to advertise their new edition is two preview books that are described as providing the public the viewpoint of the designers on how they designed 4e?

No offence but whose ego re we massaging here?

They've gotten rid of two of their best forms of advertising the new edition so they can now release this info on the internet with their site showing rather worrying signs of fragility and once they release 4e they're planning on charging people to access their new site to mke use of a games table and other guff on a monthly basis and yet we have yet to hear more about this side other than an estimated cost to the people playing and I am assuming this part isn't the case but there's little evidence to the contrary unless you'd like to point out otherwise.

We don't need vapid statements about nothing, we need concrete reasons to actually want to buy 4e and they aren't given any except turning a campaign setting into a core rule book.

Tieflings ARE NOT CORE, neither are WARLOCKS so tell me why you aren't worried this isn't going to be a mass blunder on their part...

 

[Wolfspider]

Please re-read my posts. I'm not upset. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I apologize. Can I accurately say that you are concerned that people are concerned, then? Concerned enough to post about it, at least....

I don't agree that WotC, or anyone else, needs to be particularly concerned that a few dozen people out of the millions that play D&D are screaming about 4E on the Internet.

You're absolutely, 100% right. So don't be concerned.

Similary to what you're saying, if millions of people like something and I don't, I'm not going to start liking it simply because the vast majority of people do. Mind you, if I'm the one voice in the wilderness decrying a certain thing, I'm certainly going to take a close look at my reasons to make sure that they're sound. (Maybe the world IS flat....) I would not keep quiet my displeasure either, if the topic came up, although I would try not to be a pain about it.

Ultimately, I don't care either if everyone loves the new edition. What matters is my preference and that of my players.

All this being said, I'm being won over to the new edition more and more each day.

 

[Wolfspider]

Not probably, definitely misremembering. Eric Noah himself has swung by to explain that we didn't have even this much data available this early on, and people still didn't believe it.

So I figured. It's impatience then. What's the expression? "Come, May!" (Now June, unfortunately.)

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Tieflings ARE NOT CORE, neither are WARLOCKS so tell me why you aren't worried this isn't going to be a mass blunder on their part...

I'm confused by this question. Tieflings have been around for more than a decade and were present in 3E. Warlocks, for a non-core class, got quite a bit of support -- probably more than any other non-core class.

How does them not being core in 3E translate into it being a massive blunder to make them core in 4E? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just not understanding the argument at all.

 

[Gundark]

In saying "intimate", I think you dare too much.

EN World has nigh 55,000 registered users. The last numbers i saw quoted for the overall player base was from data now nearly a decade old, but it in the 1 to 3 million range.

Wow if I had to guess the number of registered users that Enworld had I would have been way, way off. I wonder how many of these people are regular posters, vs lurkers? I wonder how many people have registered and have never posted, or forgot about the account.

I remember at one time I had 2 accounts.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Wow if I had to guess the number of registered users that Enworld had I would have been way, way off. I wonder how many of these people are regular posters, vs lurkers?

There are actually several overlapping communities here. There are pbp folks who almost NEVER post on the General RPG section, people on the D20 section who wouldn't ever post anywhere else, people who just do Living ENWorld, people who only like the non-gaming stuff period (which makes ENWorld a quirky choice, IMO, but obviously that's a matter of taste), etc.

There's a lot more active users than anyone other than a few of the mods ever cross paths with. Heck, there are mods that only post on one or two boards and are unknown to everyone who doesn't visit them.

 

[broghammerj]

This is the internet. Some people will get upset about anything here.

Yeah, but in my mind that is a bit of a cop out. The internet is the main preview/advertising vehicle for 4E so saying it's worthless cheapens what WOTC is trying to establish. They're making a big push to tie DnD to the internet by establishing monthly services and material.

If you're going to use the internet as your vehicle, you have to accept the baggage that comes with it.

 

[Varianor Abroad]

The bulk of the population could probably be tapped for input in a constructive way by people who were knowledgable in doing so.

I'm curious. How would you recommend doing so?

 

[Vigilance]

I'm just saying that they have more meat to give instead of the banalities they are saying. Without going into specific rules detail, they can give rough summaries of how they want to do there changes. They could at least gives direction as to how they are doing it.

You mean like the recent monster statblock they released?

Seriously, this game is MONTHS away.

I'm sure more concrete details will be released.

Everyone just wants it all now.

You know what happens then? We lose interest and stop paying attention to the designer blogs.