[Rant] Spikes in 3rd Edition Art

MeepoTheMighty said:


And call me nuts, but I find it hard to believe that a world with giants, dragons, demons, and other nasties would develop weapons and armor identical to that created on Earth. The first time a giant comes along and picks me up, you can guarantee I'll find some spikes to stick on my armor.

Spikes _might_ be a rational addition to armour in a D&D world - as in the tale of the Lampton Worm, where the dragon-killing knight adds spikes to his armour to fight the constricting dragon. OTOH spikes catch blows, and ought to inflict an AC penalty to the wearer.
 

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There is definately a trend in all games to reflect current "fashion".

I remember seeing the cover of the Great Modron March and thinking "Hey! Why is that D&D chick wearing bellbottoms?!?!?"
 

SpuneDagr said:
I guess I've had too much Planescape.

...which is kind of ironic, because isn't that where the 'spikes'n'leather' fetish-gear look of D&D started?

Anyway, I refuse to accept the 3e picture of the displacer beast as the way it looks. To tell the truth, I never even noticed the spikes before - I was too busy trying to decide if the poor thing had been crossbred with a greyhound, or if it couldn't figure out where its own mouth was when it went to eat its prey.

Nope, give me the 1e picture - or Claudio Pozas' counter for that matter. A sleek black panther, full of grace and deadliness - with four more limbs for extra character-rending action.

J
 

drnuncheon said:

Nope, give me the 1e picture - or Claudio Pozas' counter for that matter. A sleek black panther, full of grace and deadliness - with four more limbs for extra character-rending action.

Thanks, drnuncheon!

I try, as much as possible, to keep true to two things when rendering a monster: tradition and description. So if someone says a Manticore has a human-like head, a lion's body, leathery (bat-like) wings and a spiked tail, I'll sure as hell look for pictures of lions, bats, people and porcupine. Then it's mix-n-match, blending the parts together.

I agree with the original poster when he says that there are other ways of making a monster look evil without adding spikes. The real world is an example. Take a serval, for instance. At first it looks like a leopard. But then you notice the little changes: large, pointed ears that resemble horns, slanted, narrow eyes. So when I had to draw a displacer beast (an evil leopard if I ever saw one), I used the picture of a serval for inspiration.

For lots of evil creatures, check out Counter Pack 1: Demons & Devils, Counter Pack 4: Eldritch Horrors and Occult Investigators, and the upcoming Counter Pack 6: Summoned Creatures (fully 3.5-compatible).
 

MeepoTheMighty said:


And call me nuts, but I find it hard to believe that a world with giants, dragons, demons, and other nasties would develop weapons and armor identical to that created on Earth. The first time a giant comes along and picks me up, you can guarantee I'll find some spikes to stick on my armor.

Oh, I agree the spikes should be an option. But not the default. As someone else pointed out, they catch blows and direct them inward. They make movement awkward. They make walking through a crowded marketplace a very bad idea. ;)

In essence, they're just not practical for normal use. They should be the sort of thing that you strap on when you know you're heading into giant territory, but leave off when you're heading off to war, exploring the Ruins of Castle Anthrax, wandering the wilderness looking for adventure, or jousting.

I don't mind the occasional spikey guy in D&D art, but I really feel that 90%+ should have a more classical look to it. (That has to do as much with the feel I prefer in fantasy as it does logistics, but I'm trying not to reopen that particular argument. :))
 



A repost of Brian J. Maloney's comment on rec.games.frp.dnd Feb 29, 2000...

Frog: Hi all! Kermit the Frog here in Verbobonc. There's a lot of excitement all over Oerth and Muppet News is first with interviews of the inhabitants. Excuse me, sir, you're awfully busy. Is this connected with the big changes happening for Oerth?

Smith: Ayup. We've gotten word that all of a sudden we're going to get the attention we used to, but we have to do a little changing to keep up enough interest from interdimensional travelers.

Frog: What would those changes be?

Smith: See that pile over there--the really HUGE one of spikes?

Frog: That's a pile? I thought it was a small castle.

Smith: Nope, it's a pile of spikes. Seems that the new folks just go all gaga for spikes. They put 'em in their hair, on their bracelets, hooked up to their shoulders--heck, some of 'em even stick 'em out their underwear, from what I hear! So I'm making spikes. Even with that pile over there I've got at least another six months of work to fill the back order.

Frog: So what exactly happens to these spikes?

Smith: That I couldn't tell you--except that the new guys really like wearing 'em. Me--I'm a cloth and armor kind of guy. I like tradition. I also like being able to dance with a pretty girl without accidentally gutting her--but I'm an old softie. Go ask Stinky Pete about the spikes--he's a tanner and he takes over when I'm done making them.

Frog: Thank you, sir. Well we're off to find Stinky Pete. I presume that I'll just be able to follow my nose, given his moniker. Excuse me, sir, are you Stinky Pete.

Pete: That I am. What can I do you for? You in need of a spike driven through your nethers? I'm doing THAT particular job for half price, this month only.

Frog: Dear me, no! I'm from Muppet News, and we're covering the big excitement in Oerth. What is your perspective on the matter?

Pete: Far as I can tell, the whole planet's about to be invaded by sissie-boys and high-priced leather whores. I'm not complaining--their gold is as good as anybody else's, but you would not BELIEVE where I'm being asked to put spikes! Call me old-fashioned, but even I like my underwear to be woven, not tanned. And I still want to know how some of these folks think they're going to ride a horse without accidentally impaling the poor beast. But at least I've got it pretty easy--driving a full hundred spikes into a halter top is tricky but I managed to do it--the fact that those hookers they're bringing in must pad themselves with a hogshead of stuffing per side gives me more room to work with. Now Joe--poor Joe next door, HE has some real problems. I've gotta go, frog--halters to pierce and jockstraps to spike.

Frog: Thank you, Stinky Pete. This must be Joe's place--at least that's what the sign says. It looks like an inn. Let's go in and see what Joe has to say about these changes.

Joe: It can't be done! IT CAN'T BE DONE! BY ALL THE GODS IT CAN'T BE DONE!!!

Frog: Excuse me, sir. Kermit the Frog of Muppet News. Are you Joe?

Joe: Yeah, I'm Joe. What's it to you?

Frog: You seem to not share in the general enthusiasm for the changes going on in Oerth. Could you tell us why?

Joe: SPIKES! SPIKES, I tell you! The armor was bad enough--but at least it made a LITTLE sense, then in the ordinary clothes, and now--I JUST CAN'T DO IT!!!!

Frog: What is it that seems to be so difficult?

Joe: What's so difficult? What's so DIFFICULT!? YOU TASTE IT!

Frog: For our radio listeners, I've just been handed a bowl full of steaming liquid. As far as I can tell, there are several nails in the bottom. Excuse me, but why are their nails in this--broth?

Joe: They're not nails, they're SPIKES! SPIKES! SPIKE SOUP! SPIKE PIES! SPIKE ALE! SPIKES! "SPIKES!" THEY TELL ME! "WE WANT SPIKES!" Well here's their spikes! Here's their spikes right here! Come here, frog, let me give YOU some spikes! You'll just LOVE my Spike Surprise!!!!!!!

Frog: GAAAAHHH! We have just exited Joe's. Fortunately, the city guard has come by in time to impale him on a few convenient spikes. Thank you, sir, for rescuing us.

Jim (who turns out not to be a guard after all): Rescuing? RESCUING!? I JUST KILLED MY OWN BROTHER!!!! All I wanted to do was help him calm down! This damned tunic is COVERED with SPIKES! Do you have any IDEA how hard it is to walk down the street these days? Last week I murdered an entire family by sneezing! Have you tried building a baby carriage?

Frog: I'll have to say that I haven't.

Jim: Have you tried riding in a coach?

Frog: I'm afraid not.

Jim: They've got spikes on the INSIDE of those things, too--and just TRY taking a crap! Now get out of my face!

Frog: Thank you, sir. I'll let you tend to your dead. This has been Kermit the Frog reporting on the changes currently overtaking Planet Spike.

> I don't want D&D to start looking like vampire or some other "dark ages
> gothic horror" game. Or some cyberpunk thing where everyone's covered
> with tatoos and weird body peircings.
> Who does wotc think they're marketing to? I DONT think this art is what

They're marketing to idiots who think that "Diablo" is a roleplaying game.

WoTC already knows that the majority of current D&D players will be obedient little zombie sheep and purchase the new rules, just like they did last edition.
Still funny, three-plus years later. :D

Heck, still relevant three-plus years later. ;)

--The Sigil
 


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