Pathfinder 2E Rate Pathfinder 2E

[kayman]

You made no such statement.

Edit: Not that it matters. This is just another moving of goal posts.

certain classes from becoming completely dominant over the course of levels.

 

[BryonD]

OK, you did say "bad english"
Last call for an effort at responding to my actual point.

 

[cmad1977]

The temperature seems to be elevating.
I suggest we disrobe.

 

[Eric V]

Glad to know that you are an example of coherence. Seriously. How can you possibly not be embarressed over such a blantant and unfounded double standard?

You are coming across as SUCH a jerk right now...over a game.

You're the one who should be embarrassed.

 

[BryonD]

You are coming across as SUCH a jerk right now...over a game.

You're the one who should be embarrassed.

Your unbiased opinion is noted.
Sorry that being logical and expecting people to back up their claims is a jerk move to you.

And I'm not the one throwing insults.

 

[Eric V]

Your unbiased opinion is noted.
Sorry that being logical and expecting people to back up their claims is a jerk move to you.

And I'm not the one throwing insults.

I have no dog in this race. I play neither PF1 nor PF2. So, whatever 'bias' you're detecting is in your mind.

You are not just "being logical and expecting people to back up their claims." You are being a jerk about it, confirming some of the worst stereotypes about rpg gamers.

 

[BryonD]

I have no dog in this race. I play neither PF1 nor PF2. So, whatever 'bias' you're detecting is in your mind.

You are not just "being logical and expecting people to back up their claims." You are being a jerk about it, confirming some of the worst stereotypes about rpg gamers.

Really? Funny how you can't find anything on the other side to complain about. You "laughed" at my reply, but had nothing to say when he literally insulted me in lieu of any other response. It seems a tiny bit biased.

Call me a jerk all you want. I'll stay with logic (your baseless denial completely notwithstanding) and ya'll can stay with personal attacks. Works for me.

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

And I'm not the one throwing insults.

You are now.

 

[Puggins]

2e chose to go the path of balancing the math of the game for gameplay situations, the same move that 4e went for (and the same move that angered a whole lot of 3e players, I have to add).

In theory, it’s a bit absurd to think that a wizard has the same attack bonus with a dagger at 11th level (+15, I believe) as a fighter who doesn’t specialize with a dagger.

In practice, you won’t encounter this weirdness- the fighter will be attacking with his specialized weapon, will be using a lot of supplemental feats and will be using a very high strength or dexterity score. The wizard will be casting a spell and will likely never swing his dagger, ever.

So the weirdness only matters to people that place value in underlying logic. It’s like criticizing a film for shooting on a sound stage instead of on location, even though the movie winds up looking identical- not a perfect analogy, I know.

I have to admit that I’m one of those people. The math oddities bug the HECK out of me. For me it makes it harder to envision the adventure taking place in a living, breathing world as opposed to a stage arranged specifically for that one session.

I've only played one session of 2e, so I don't think I'm qualified to rate it yet. But I have to say that the system itself doesn't excite me- that could change (drastically!) in the long run, but it's not a good sign.

 

[BryonD]

You are now.

I don't think you can show where I directly insulted anyone as I was directly insulted.
It does get frustrating when someone keeps making the same claim while repeatedly refusing to respond to questions that are raised. But I didn't stoop to simply calling someone a jerk or arrogant in place of commenting on the topic.

And, my last post to kayman indicated that I was done if things didn't start to evolve.

If you see that is 6 of one half a dozen of the other then I'll have to live with that.