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MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
That problem wasn't with the film but with the fans. It works just fine in the film: she was counting down the time she was alone, she wanted to go back to Jakku, and she had a vision of being abandoned. That was her arc: learning to live with the fact she had been left on her own and they were never coming back. Which Maz Kanata says outright.
At no point does it imply her parents were anyone special.

That was all us. Again, the problem comes from the fans. Not the film. The fans.
The expectation that she was somebody was what people read into the movie. Largely because of the parental twist of Empire Strikes Back. People expected them to do the same thing again. Again.
Then the sequel came out and didn't cater to the wild theories everyone had been fan waking themselves raw over for a full two years and somehow that made it a bad film....

We set the expectations. It's not the responsibility of the film to pat us on the head, give us a lollipop, and reward us for wildly speculating.

It's not like the film would have been better if Rey had been a named character's child or grandchild. At best that just creates more questions and continuity problems.
The most interesting part of The Force Awakens wasn't the revelation of Kylo Ren's parentage. Because everyone had guessed beforehand. No one was surprised, as there were literally two options.


But again... THAT WAS A PROBLEM OF THE FORCE AWAKENS.
Because 90% of that movie was a giant rehash of A New Hope.

That's probably why I kind of like the Last Jedi, I went out of my way to arrive as a blank state to the movie theater. I avoided trailers, reviews, social networks and youtube channels. I had no pet theories, I just wanted to see how they were going to fix the mess left by the force awakens. Somehow they made everything worse, but the carnage was fun to watch. (Except for the casino scene, that thing went out forever. And I would have loved for Finn to have made that heroic sacrifice, it would have saved so many lives and completed his character arc... )
 

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MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
The whole Canto Bight bit was maybe 5-10 minutes.
It feels much longer than it is.

Really? I would have sworn it was like half an hour at least. At least the reality ensues at the end pays off. Del toro definitively sold it.

In fact I kind of like that part of TLJ, the crew constantly screwing up the million to one chances that Han and company routinely could achieve. That makes the original party more special by comparison. Honestly Rey, Rose, Finn and Poe are amateurs.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
That's probably why I kind of like the Last Jedi, I went out of my way to arrive as a blank state to the movie theater. I avoided trailers, reviews, social networks and youtube channels. I had no pet theories, I just wanted to see how they were going to fix the mess left by the force awakens. Somehow they made everything worse, but the carnage was fun to watch. (Except for the casino scene, that thing went out forever. And I would have loved for Finn to have made that heroic sacrifice, it would have saved so many lives and completed his character arc... )

Same I went in more or less blind, same with TPM and TFA. At least when I left the theater it was slight disappointment vs a lot with TPM. Rogue One and TFA different reaction.

Expectations definitely come into it. After the prequels and the old EU New Jedi Order and Fate of the Jedi my expectaitons for TF were low. After TFA and Rogue One I expected more. When Hux is the best character in the movie you might have a problem.
 

Aeson

I learned nerd for this.
That's probably why I kind of like the Last Jedi, I went out of my way to arrive as a blank state to the movie theater. I avoided trailers, reviews, social networks and youtube channels. I had no pet theories, I just wanted to see how they were going to fix the mess left by the force awakens. Somehow they made everything worse, but the carnage was fun to watch. (Except for the casino scene, that thing went out forever. And I would have loved for Finn to have made that heroic sacrifice, it would have saved so many lives and completed his character arc... )

I'd like to have seen Finn make that sacrifice also. I was not impressed with him at all. Poe made for a more interesting character. I feel for Rose. Finn is into Rey so he'll never return her feelings. Allow Rose to suffer two major loses (her sister, and Finn) build her up to be major character. It could have been a better way to go. Now we have a soapy love triangle.....wait didn't they try that before? Maybe Rose is Finn's long lost twin sister.
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
Same I went in more or less blind, same with TPM and TFA. At least when I left the theater it was slight disappointment vs a lot with TPM. Rogue One and TFA different reaction.

Expectations definitely come into it. After the prequels and the old EU New Jedi Order and Fate of the Jedi my expectaitons for TF were low. After TFA and Rogue One I expected more. When Hux is the best character in the movie you might have a problem.

I was a blank slate when I watched TPM. I wasn't interested in SW at all before that point.Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson and Ray Park hooked me into SW. ^_^
I'd like to have seen Finn make that sacrifice also. I was not impressed with him at all. Poe made for a more interesting character. I feel for Rose. Finn is into Rey so he'll never return her feelings. Allow Rose to suffer two major loses (her sister, and Finn) build her up to be major character. It could have been a better way to go. Now we have a soapy love triangle.....wait didn't they try that before? Maybe Rose is Finn's long lost twin sister.

I'm sorry but you are incorrect, Finn's one and true love is Poe. n_n
 

Aeson

I learned nerd for this.
I'm sorry but you are incorrect, Finn's one and true love is Poe. n_n

Actually, I'm not convinced Finn is not Finn's one true love. But a love triangle between Finn, Poe, And Rey would have the SJWs creaming their nongender specific underpants.
 


pukunui

Legend
Oh gosh, I don’t think I can do a proper overall ranking. I can definitely rate by group, though. Here goes:

Original Trilogy
I was born in 1981, so I grew up watching these on the small screen.* The Empire Strikes Back has always been my favorite, though Return of the Jedi is good too. I do like A New Hope, but I feel it hasn’t aged all that well compared to the other two.

OT Ranking:
1) The Empire Strikes Back
2) Return of the Jedi
3) A New Hope

*I did see the Special Editions in the theaters. While they are mostly abominable, I somewhat surprisingly find the ESB version to be fairly palatable. I think you could argue that it's because ESB is so close to being perfect that even George Lucas couldn't ruin it!


Prequel Trilogy
In 1999, I was fresh out of high school and super-excited at the prospect of finally getting to see a brand new Star Wars film at the theater! Well ... let's just say, for only the second time in my life, I found myself wanting to walk out of the theater in disgust. (The first time had been the year before, when I went to see Van Damme's Knock Off. In hindsight, it would seem I was a bit of a masochist in my late teens.)

I hated The Phantom Menace so much that I didn't bother to go see the next two prequels at the theater. In fact, I didn't watch either of them until years later. I agree that Attack of the Clones is hands down the worst of them all. The fundamental wrongness of Anakin and Padme's relationship aside, the movie is just one long snoozefest. Even the action sequences are boring. (Although, unlike [MENTION=6716779]Zardnaar[/MENTION], I enjoy Yoda’s Sonic the Hedgehog impressions!)

Revenge of the Sith, on the other hand, is a noticeable improvement. Still not as good as any of the originals, but good enough that it’s the only one of the prequels I have on DVD. I like the novelization even better. It’s surprisingly well-written and does a much better job of making Anakin’s fall believable.

PT Ranking:
1) Revenge of the Sith
2) The Phantom Menace
3) Attack of the Killer Tomatoes Clones


Sequel Trilogy
I like The Force Awakens. I don’t mind that it’s essentially a reboot of ANH. I don’t mind that Rey is a bit of a Mary Sue. I *do* mind JJ Abrams’ complete disregard for the vastness of space (something that irked me about his Star Trek reboot as well).

I also find Disney/Lucasfilm’s unwillingness to answer most of the questions posed in TFA frustrating. I don’t mind that TLJ had very few answers in it (although I did at first) but they won’t even give us the answers by other means (eg. novels, visual dictionaries, etc). Is Starkiller Base the planet Ilum? I want to know! Enough with the teasing!

I have come to like most of The Last Jedi as well. I think there are some parts I won’t ever like, such as the lengthy space chase and Leia’s Mary Poppins impression, but there is still lots I do like about it. All the porgs, for instance.

I am curious to see whether Ep IX can wrap things up satisfactorily.

ST Ranking:
1) The Force Awakens
2) The Last Jedi


Star Wars Stories
Rogue One is awesome and may even be my second favorite overall after ESB. I feel it does a great job of capturing the feel of the original films, and I love that it's essentially a Guns of Navarone-style war movie set in the SW universe.

One sad thing for me, though, is that I feel like the dramatic impact of the Rebels’ sacrifices in Rogue One is cheapened by the fact that, a mere thirty years later, we’re right back where we started with the galaxy under the sway of a tyrannical empire.

I also really enjoyed Solo. Its dismal box office performance made me sad, especially because, after Rogue One, I was looking forward to a whole slew of stand-alone Star War stories. I wonder if we’ll ever see anymore.


TV Shows and Other Media
I think I've seen all of the Clone Wars stuff: the "movie" (which is literally just a bunch of episodes strung together), all six seasons of the show, plus the original Tartakovsky series. As others have said, there's some really excellent stuff there but also some real crap.

I haven't seen all of Rebels yet, but I've enjoyed everything I have seen so far.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the announced Cassian Andor and Mandalorian live action shows. I'd like to watch them but I'm not sure I'll be able to, since they'll be behind the Disney streaming paywall.

I've only read a small smattering of SW novels and comics, most of which are no doubt apocryphal "Legends" now. Most of the books were rubbish, with the exception of the Revenge of the Sith novelization. That's a real gem, right there.

In terms of video games, I started to play KotOR once but found the UI too clunky and never got off the starting planet. I think that was the only one I ever tried playing.

I also used to play SWSE and still have all the books. The game was fun at first but eventually its mechanical flaws got to be too much for me. I don’t think the d20 system is a good fit for Star Wars. I doubt I’ll ever play it again.



The only other thing I'd like to say is that, as a father of three daughters, I appreciate the effort Disney has made to include more strong female characters in the franchise. Some of them are definitely better role models than others, but I’ll take them all over Barbie and her sisters any day!
 
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Zardnaar

Legend
Me niece is 9 years old and she loves Star Wars. Her face lit up when she found out my Star Wars comics, books, and Lego Star Wars on the Xbox One. Her uncle also lets her play Fortnite on the PS4 and played it with them.

Said uncle also played Fortnite with his 12 year old Nephew, Magic the Gathernig with his 13 yo nephew and piggy backs for his 8 year old niece. The MtG one might be corruptible to D&D. Their dad doesn't get Magic or video games. "Didn't you play D&D and Magic in the 90's" (he bought me 2E Tome of Magic). Erm cough cough.
 



billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
Really? I would have sworn it was like half an hour at least. At least the reality ensues at the end pays off. Del toro definitively sold it.

In fact I kind of like that part of TLJ, the crew constantly screwing up the million to one chances that Han and company routinely could achieve. That makes the original party more special by comparison. Honestly Rey, Rose, Finn and Poe are amateurs.

Given the role Last Jedi plays in the narrative structure of the trilogy, I'm not really seeing this. In Empire, Luke loses a hand and has his soul crushed, Han is frozen in carbonite, Leia and Chewbacca barely escape the Cloud City - and this after a series of harrowing events in the Falcon because of Han and Chewie's failures at ship maintenance. Last Jedi plays a similar role in the structure - the heroes take their beatings. They may learn a few things, grow as characters, and gain some resources for the next movie's ultimate triumph but they take considerable lumps on the way.
 

Actually, I'm not convinced Finn is not Finn's one true love. But a love triangle between Finn, Poe, And Rey would have the SJWs creaming their nongender specific underpants.
I am very much shipping that big poly relationship. Esapecially after Rey met Poe.

But it won’t happen. Even thought China doesn’t give an eff about Star Wars, they’re still too big of a box office to upset with positive portrayals of homosexuality. Ditto most of Eastern Europe, Russia, and the like.
 

Mercurius

Legend
I see it in tiers...

FIRST TIER: The Classics
1. Star Wars: A New Hope
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. Return of the Jedi

(Huge gap)

SECOND TIER (Best of the Rest)
4. The Force Awakens
5. Rogue One
6. Revenge of the Sith

(Moderate gap)

THIRD TIER: Meh
7. Solo
8. The Phantom Menace

(Moderate gap)

FOURTH TIER: Apoplexy!
9. Attack of the Clones
10. The Last Jedi

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I can't decide whether I like A New Hope or Empire better. The latter is the better film, but the first is more complete and has that first love quality to it. Return of the Jedi was both the best and worst of the original trilogy; the scenes with Luke, Vader and the Emperor are the best in the entire series, but the ewoks somewhat tarnish things, and I'm not in love with the Death Star rehash. These are films I will re-watch every few years, and have seen all of them at least a dozen times.

Second tier were all enjoyable films with much to offer, but also significant issues. Probably no more than a single re-watch.

Third tier aren't exactly offensive, and had some positive elements, but ultimately forgettable (or memorable in not so great ways). But where Solo was just mediocre to fairly good, the Phantom Menace had some really good parts (Liam Neeson, Obi-Wan, Darth Maul, great sets), it also had some terrible stuff (Ani, Jar-Jar, pod-race announcer).

Fourth tier...shudder.
 

dragoner

KosmicRPG.com
I would rate them 1. Empire Strikes Back, a great ethereal quality which speaks "Space Opera" to me. 2. Rogue One, A motley crew, great cast of characters, that plucked at the heart strings in the end. 3. A New Hope, and odd bird of a movie, cutting it's own style (and creating it's own tropes). The rest are ok, I don't hate them, I just don't think they rise above or to the level of the top 3.
 


My concern is the final movie will waste time and energy answering questions that don't need addressing, or worse, giving different answers to questions TLJ answered brilliantly, namely, 'who are Rey's parents?'.

My biggest issue with The Last Jedi, was that TFA had set up some revelations, which were then answered by TLJ with "Surprise, there is no revelation!". And that annoyed me, and still does. If the twist is that there is no twist, please think of something better.

Don't set up a big end battle, and then surprise us with no battle at all. Sometimes it is okay to give people what they are hoping for, even if it is predictable. This was something TFA was cricized for a lot, but honestly it was probably also its strength. It was by the numbers and mostly stuff we'd seen before, but it didn't pull a disappointment out of a hat, like TLJ did. Killing off the main bad guy is another one of those things. Yeah, it was surprising, but now you still have one movie to go, without your main antagonist. The real twist that would have redeemed TLJ, was if Rey had turned rogue-jedi and truly teamed up with Kylo Ren. For a moment it seemed to be going in that direction, before they quickly hit the brakes, and avoided something truly surprising.

My biggest concern for the third movie, is that they will need to do so much course correcting to save this trilogy, that it will derail everything. TLJ left Disney a mess, which is 100% their own fault for not setting out a full plot before hand.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
My biggest issue with The Last Jedi, was that TFA had set up some revelations, which were then answered by TLJ with "Surprise, there is no revelation!". And that annoyed me, and still does. If the twist is that there is no twist, please think of something better.

Don't set up a big end battle, and then surprise us with no battle at all. Sometimes it is okay to give people what they are hoping for, even if it is predictable. This was something TFA was cricized for a lot, but honestly it was probably also its strength. It was by the numbers and mostly stuff we'd seen before, but it didn't pull a disappointment out of a hat, like TLJ did. Killing off the main bad guy is another one of those things. Yeah, it was surprising, but now you still have one movie to go, without your main antagonist. The real twist that would have redeemed TLJ, was if Rey had turned rogue-jedi and truly teamed up with Kylo Ren. For a moment it seemed to be going in that direction, before they quickly hit the brakes, and avoided something truly surprising.

My biggest concern for the third movie, is that they will need to do so much course correcting to save this trilogy, that it will derail everything. TLJ left Disney a mess, which is 100% their own fault for not setting out a full plot before hand.

Kylo is not bad as such but not as the BBEG. He threw tantrums in TFA, and was a chump as well.

One thing we have not seen in live action is a female Sith/Darksider (excluding one of the Ewok movies).
 

My biggest issue with The Last Jedi, was that TFA had set up some revelations, which were then answered by TLJ with "Surprise, there is no revelation!". And that annoyed me, and still does. If the twist is that there is no twist, please think of something better.
Can you think of a twist they could have done that the fanbase didn't think of in the two years between movies?
That would work and not seem crazy forced, overly complicated, or just create more plot hole.

Honestly, I think the "no revelation" was the only really surprising thing they could have done.
Because I heard it all: Luke's kid, Leia's kid, Obi-Wan's grandkid, Ezra Bridger's kid, Qui-gon's grandkid, child of midichlorians like Anakin, Palpatine/ Sidious' kid, female clone of Palpatine/ Sidious, female clone of Luke from his severed hand, Count Dooku's grandkid, and so on.
Most of which just end up requiring a flowchart and ten minute flashback to explain and fill in the details... Or should just end with Rey going "What... who?"

Don't set up a big end battle, and then surprise us with no battle at all. Sometimes it is okay to give people what they are hoping for, even if it is predictable. This was something TFA was cricized for a lot, but honestly it was probably also its strength. It was by the numbers and mostly stuff we'd seen before, but it didn't pull a disappointment out of a hat, like TLJ did.
Fan service has its place. But I think that was the prior movie and Rogue One and Solo.
I mean, I loved the fairly needless "Vader is a baddass" scene at the end of Rogue One. But I don't need that in ever movie.

Killing off the main bad guy is another one of those things. Yeah, it was surprising, but now you still have one movie to go, without your main antagonist.
From a narrative sense, it works really well: with Episode IX being the last film in the "Skywalker Saga", killing Snoke really puts the focus squarely on Kylo Ren and lets him take the role as primary antagonist. His defeat ends that story.

It's kinda doing the opposite of the original trilogy where Vader is diminished over time, and basically becomes a glorified henchman by the end.

The real twist that would have redeemed TLJ, was if Rey had turned rogue-jedi and truly teamed up with Kylo Ren. For a moment it seemed to be going in that direction, before they quickly hit the brakes, and avoided something truly surprising.
Meh. We've seen that before in the prequels with Anakin falling, with the protagonists becoming the new Big Bad. And, again, it takes the spotlight away from Kylo Ren.

I'm happier with the idea of focusing on Ren and bringing in the Knights of Ren as his minions. And focusing on the power struggle between Ren and Hux for control of the First Order.
 

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