D&D 5E Realism and Simulationism in 5e: Is D&D Supposed to be Realistic?

[Lyxen]

Because if they're interested in actually communicating, they will take well-reasoned criticism of the term seriously. Pretty simple.

Only it's not "well-reasoned", it's just that the term was used to criticise 4e. And that is the only unforgivable sin of it, at least for some people. Because, as @Snarf Zagyg points out, this is an old argument anyway, and all games and all editions of D&D have some part of it anyway.

 

[Fifth Element]

Uh, no. The whole part of the discussion about the term on this thread (which is not the whole of the thread) is from some people who reject the term because they think it criticises 4e. None of the other have problems with the definition.

This is false. The criticism is that the term itself is vague and possibly incoherent, and the fact that even the person who coined it did not use it consistently is presented as evidence of that.

Prove it. I'll be waiting.

It's already been proven. Movement rates are in scale inches. If they did not assume that most people would be using minis, it wouldn't make sense to do that.

By the way, this is a ridiculous assumption. The AD&D PH mentions miniatures 3 times as potential aids (and in particular one for marching order).

...and lists every single distance in scale inches. So while minis themselves might not be asssumed, to-scale representation of the environment are. We used graph paper to map out environments in 1E a long time before we ever used any minis, for instance.

And in 4e, it's not only the movement, it's ALL THE POWERS.

And in 1E, it's not only the movement, it's ALL THE SPELLS. And ALL THE WEAPON RANGES.

 

[Fifth Element]

it's just that the term was used to criticise 4e.

This is plainly false. One of the main criticisms is that by the definition as applied by the coiner of the term, all mechanics are dissociated, which makes the claim that only some are dissociated untenable. The criticism is that it's used synonymously with "abstraction" while failing to acknowledge that all ROG mechanics are abstractions.

 

[Morrus]

Well, this thread has about 40 gazillion post reports. I'm going to close it temporarily while we go through them. Might be a bit.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

You are obviously unable to think without a grid. A distance in inches does NOT mean along a grid.

Mod Note:

You‘ve racked up a slew of reports for your posts in the thread. Some are not actionable, but others contain problematic language or rhetorical forms. Here, you made it personal. Perhaps you need to step back and reconsider your posting methodology.