Recovering from a Trip Attack

[RigaMortus2]

If you are prone, would Mobility apply when you crawl 5 feet away and provoke?

 

[Kmart Kommando]

Mhh...no.

Even drawing a weapon makes you "move".

Do you apply Mobility when drawing a weapon?

Yes it would..if drawing a weapon provoked an AoO.

 

[Hypersmurf]

If you read the FAQ's entire answer, you'll see that it says the bonus to AC applies even against the AoOs made by the bugbears--before the character has used an attack action.

As you note, the redefinition of a standard action changes the analysis.

What was a standard action in 3E? It allowed you to move your speed and [do something], where moving your speed could be replaced with a MEA.

The attack action is a standard action in both 3E and 3.5. But in 3E, move your speed and attack something was a standard action (the attack action), while in 3.5, moving your speed is a move action, and attacking something is a standard action (the attack action).

So if I move past some bugbears and attack the shaman, then in 3E, it's all part of the attack action. While I'm moving past the bugbears, I'm taking the attack action. But in 3.5, while I'm moving past the bugbears, it's a move action. My attack action doesn't occur until I finish my move action, and then attack the shaman.

So in 3E, I could activate Expertise as soon as a bugbear threatened me - I was taking the attack action, and I was engaged in melee combat.

But in 3.5, I can't activate Combat Expertise until I'm already past the bugbears... I'm engaged in melee combat, but I am not yet taking the attack action, so I don't meet the conditions for Combat Expertise, until I actually attack the shaman.

-Hyp.

 

[frankthedm]

Yes it would..if drawing a weapon provoked an AoO.

Sheathing a weapon is a move action that does draw an AoO.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Mobility does apply. It doesn't say "moving out of a threaten square" it says " moving out of or within a threatened area", which you are doing when you stand up in a threatened area.

The AoO for loading a light crossbow (a Move action) isn't provoked because you're moving out of or within a threatened area. It's provoked because you're loading a light crossbow within a threatened area.

The AoO for sheathing a weapon (a Move action) isn't provoked because you're moving out of or within a threatened area. It's provoked because you're sheathing a weapon within a threatened area.

The AoO for standing from prone (a Move action) isn't provoked because you're moving out of or within a threatened area. It's provoked because you're standing from prone within a threatened area.

Contrast this with the AoO you provoke for travelling from 10-feet-away to 5-feet-away from an ogre... provoked because you're moving (covering distance on the battlemat) within his threatened area.

-Hyp.

 

[Vegepygmy]

As you note, the redefinition of a standard action changes the analysis.

Does it really, though? I don't think the redefinition has changed (or at least, was intended to change) the way Spring Attack works, and I don't think it should change the way (Combat) Expertise works.

As I envision them, Combat Expertise and fighting defensively both represent a defensive style that you adopt for the entire round; it shouldn't matter (with regard to the bonus to your AC) if you attack before getting up, or get up and then attack--you're going to be doing all the same parries, feints, ripostes, etc.

That's just my opinion, though. What the rules were intended to be, I can't say for certain. I'm comfortable agreeing that by strict RAW interpretation, Shilsen is absolutely right. But by that standard, you can also use a single standard action to move your full speed and attack with Spring Attack (which I believe very few people agree you can do).

 

[Hypersmurf]

But by that standard, you can also use a single standard action to move your full speed and attack with Spring Attack (which I believe very few people agree you can do).

No, you can't, because they corrected the language of Spring Attack in the Special Edition PHB and subsequent printings of the PHB.

Until they did so, as you say, you could use a single standard action to move-attack-move with Spring Attack. But with the correction, you can split your move action around the standard action you use to attack; it now requires both a move and a standard action, bringing the action expenditure back in line with what it was in 3E.

-Hyp.

 

[3d6]

The Spring Attack wording is changed in later printings of the 3.5 PHB to fix that problem, actually.

Edit: Hypersmurf beat me to the punch.

 

[Egres]

Yes it would..if drawing a weapon provoked an AoO.

I meant sheating, sorry.

So, by your reasoning Mobility helps you whenever you provoke an AoO with a move action, since you always move when doing something.

Examples:

- Load a hand crossbow or light crossbow

- Pick up an item

- Sheathe a weapon

- Retrieve a stored item


Mmmh...seems that in your game Mobility is a must have feat.

 

[glass]

I meant sheating, sorry.

So, by your reasoning Mobility helps you whenever you provoke an AoO with a move action, since you always move when doing something.-snip-

Also, if all those things are moving, then they all prevent 5ft steps.


glass.