Crothian said:Because I have nothing I feel I need to prove to you. As I keep saying in the thread I'm not attached to it for or against.
Really? Does this look at all familiar?
Crothian said:I hope they don't change it. America is getting way to PC over things like this.
Please explain to me how that statement implies that you have no opinion for or against.
If you want to backpedal, backpedal. But please don't pretend that you came into this looking for an open exchange of ideas.
Crothian said:This isn't me acting persecuted.
Really? Does this look at all familiar?
Crothian said:I'm not allowed to have opinions or mine don't count as much because I'm not in a certain group.
Please explain what you meant to imply in that statement, if what you meant to imply was not, "I am being persecuted because somebody doesn't think my opinions are valuable."
Crothian said:I was trying to ask questions, present the way I see things and try to understand how things were for other people.
Really? Does this look at all familiar?
Crothian said:I can only look at this from my own perspective.
Exchange of ideas implies the ability to look at things from somebody else's perspective. Your first post was, "I hope they don't change it. America is getting way too PC over things like this." That doesn't exactly scream, "I'm looking for an open exchange of ideas."
Walking into a potentially heated discussion over a matter of which you are ignorant and making a broad sweeping statement is not conducive to enlightened discussion. Owning your ignorance and asking questions is fine, but using ignorance as justification for your opinion is probably not going to win you any points.
There are certainly valid opposing viewpoints. There's room for debate about whether the fact that the Redskins name may have been given in honor of head coach William Dietz, who was part Sioux. There's room for debate about whether the fact that the logo is a normal-looking Indian and not an exaggerated stereotype is a mitigating factor. There's room for debate about whether a name that was not intended to be racist (if that is indeed the case here) can still be considered offensive when the term used to honor the race is used today in a disparaging manner (for example, a team called the Negroes might be considered offensive, even though the term Negro was not originally a racial slur). If you were making those points, that would be fine.
But your argument boils down to, "I haven't experienced this form of racism or witnessed it firsthand, so I don't think it's offensive... until enough people argue the point, at which point I'll declare that I never said I didn't think it was offensive."
That's an ignorant viewpoint. It doesn't make you a bad person to have it, but it does mean that you're ignorant in this particular area. Ignorance is not an insult. It is a simply a condition that should be corrected, or at least acknowledged.