Reincarnate

[Starbuck_II]

In any case, reincarnate needs to be re-written. Things the DM (and players, if they have input) should decide include: (1) whether to allow creatures with a LA, (2) whether to allow creatures with racial HD, (3) how to handle LA and racial HD, with regard to level and XP, (4) how physical ability scores are handled, (5) how mental ability scores are handled, and apparently (6) whether break enchantment works to reverse the spell.

Numbers 4 and 5 are explicit.

It dsys you keep all Mentals: physicals change.

Example:
A Grey Elf has +2 Dex/Int, -2 Str/con. You turn into a human:
Your new stats: +2 Int. Because only mentals are unchanged.

More detailed:
Grey Elf with Stats (in order) 8, 16, 8, 20, 14, 12. Becomes Human with 10, 14, 10, 20, 14, 12.

 

[Herzog]

Numbers 4 and 5 are explicit.

Please don't drag that discussion in here.
There is a multitude on threads on that dispute already.
If you have to restart the argument, please start another thread....

 

[Drowbane]

That's not how you do it.

You hit them with something that will make them want a break enchantment, and when they get it, you say "oh, wait..." and act all surprised.

I like the cut of your jib, sir!

 

[Starbuck_II]

Please don't drag that discussion in here.
There is a multitude on threads on that dispute already.
If you have to restart the argument, please start another thread....

What?
I have never seen a debate about that aspect. Can you point me to a old topic?

Because it is explicit... that would be like arguing air is breathable...

Since we humans are still alive: it should be yes.

 

[Herzog]

Here you go. Have fun:
Reincarnate and its interpretation

 

[Jack Simth]

I like the cut of your jib, sir!

Feel free to steal the idea if you like.

Hmm... is it stealing if you have permission? Oh well....

 

[Starbuck_II]

Here you go. Have fun:
Reincarnate and its interpretation

I see it was 2 years ago: no wonder I did not see it.

But I don't understand why the confusion.

The majority agreed that only physical scores were changed: I read the thread. It points out that it only shows physical scores at the sidebar of races.
It references physical scores changing (but not mental).

Really, you have to assume implied intent to assume mental scores change. The sentences have to be wholefully dependant on each other.

Also lots of strange harsh tones with a discussion: really, why so serious.

 

[Herzog]

I just read the thread, since I searched for threads on Reincarnation before starting a new one. (for those now searching for the search function and not finding one: you need to pay for it. I payed, therefore I search.)

The problem with that thread (and some other ones I found that brushed the subject) was that one or two people in that discussion kept to their reading of the text, regardless whether they agreed on the intent of the text or not.
Because that is a discussion that can only be stopped by 'agree to disagree', and such a discussion will go on and on until both parties do, I didn't want it repeated here. Hence the request.

Note that other discussions on these boards have followed a similar pattern, like the one about one or two attacks of oppertunity on a ranged touch spell. In that particular discussion, it was even two posters that agreed on the rule-effect of the RAW, but disagreed on why the RAW resulted in the effect.
Pointless (IMO) discussion from a players point of view, but an indication why rules discussions on these boards can really drag on

 

[Jhaelen]

Pointless (IMO) discussion from a players point of view, but an indication why rules discussions on these boards can really drag on

Yup, rule discussions often turn into philosophical debates.

At that point I typically bow out of a discussion, since I'm only interested in getting results that are actually useful as advice for _real_ games.

There are some who treat RAW as some kind of holy scripture and the debates typically reflect this.

 

[Herzog]

For those interested, yesterday we rolled the percentile dice for the results, using the Eberron table listed here Dragonshards -- Druids of Khorvaire, Part Two

I rolled Elf, and thought I was out of the woods.

no such luck, my DM ruled that since we were in Xendrik, I would return as the local Elf subrace: Drow!

Not only that, my sixteen year old male human artificer will return as a female Drow. Oh boy.

Of course, since Drow are LA+2 we discussed how to proceed. In the end, the following was used:

The Drow LA is reduced to +1 for this purpose, since the Drow ability bonusses are on Int and Cha, which is unchanged, and my character won't get access to weapon proficiencies, or automatic languages. Because we were just about to go up to level 8, my XP amount will also be put at a similar position relative to my next level instead of at the usual halfway point.
In return, I give up two Artificer levels instead of one, going from Human Artificer 7 to Drow Artificer 5.
Since I was planning (and ready) to go into Renegade Mastermaker at lvl 6, but this was delayed because of roleplaying reasons, and I was not too happy in retrospect with the feat I took at lvl 6, all works out ok I guess.

Edit: just thought I'd add in the things I DO get, according to my DM:

+2 Dexterity, –2 Constitution (elf)
Medium (elf)
base land speed is 30 feet.(elf)
Immunity to magic sleep effects(elf)
+2 racial bonus on Will saves against spells and spell-like abilities.(drow)
Darkvision out to 120 feet(drow)
+2 racial bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot checks.
An elf who merely passes within 5 feet of a secret or concealed door is entitled to a Search check to notice it as if she were actively looking for it.
Light Blindness (drow) (this basically means -1 to attack rolls, Spot checks and Search checks while in normal daylight)
Spell resistance equal to 11 + class levels.
Spell-Like Abilities: (1/day): dancing lights, darkness, faerie fire. Caster level equals class levels.(drow)

I also get to keep the human bonus feat from first level and the bonus skill points up to and including 5th level, but will no longer gain bonus skill points from subsequent levels.
I will keep my current craft reserve from level 7 (including the craft reserve obtained from retain essence) since I am not getting an new Artificer level (which is the stated reset-moment) I also do not get new Action Points, and would keep any remaining ones if I still had them. If I would have ended up with more action points than usual for that level, the surplus would have been removed.