D&D 5E Reliable Talent and Disadvantage - order of precedence?

[Mort]

Just going to throw this out there from PHB pg. 171



(I think) This contradicts my original opinion on the ruling.

Except reliable talent isn't letting you reroll, it just treats any d20 roll of less than 10 as 10.

 

[Li Shenron]

Just to share the numbers I came up with in examining this all before:

(Rolling: Average)

Flat d20: 10.5
Disadv.: 7.175

RT (Flat d20): 12.75
Disadv. & RT (1 die only): 8.7125
Disadv. & RT (both dice): 10.9625

So, with a normal roll, disadvantage decreases the average result by 3.325
But, if you have RT, with disadvantage, and applying RT to only one of the two dice, the average decreases by 4.0375!

In other words, disadvantage hurts you more if you have RT than if you don't. It seems like if you have RT disadvantage should not impact you as much as if you didn't have RT.

Now, if you allow RT to apply to both dice rolled when you have disadvantage, the average only decreases by 1.7875. THAT makes more sense to me.

Not at all.

Without disadvantage, RT increases from 10.5 to 12.75 which is approximately a proportional +21% increase.

With disadvantage (defaulting a single d20 to 10), RT increases from 7.125 to 8.7125 which is about +22%.

With disadvantage (defaulting both to 10), RT increases from 7.125 to 10.9625 which is about +54%.

That's just to say that twisting numbers to "prove" your point is easy. That's what politicians and spin doctors do all the time.

 

[DND_Reborn]

Just going to throw this out there from PHB pg. 171



(I think) This contradicts my original opinion on the ruling.

Which was the reason why I started the other thread and discussed why people who want to rule it due to such other features do have a basis for their logic.

 

[FarBeyondC]

A dog means one dog. A word means one word. When does "A" ever mean any?

From Webster's dictionary:

a person who is sick can't work

 

[DND_Reborn]

That's just to say that twisting numbers to "prove" your point is easy.

And yet, you've proven... nothing.

Good one!

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

edited post to eradicate my stupidity.

 

[DND_Reborn]

You started a new thread? You act fast!

Old thread. Here:

D&D 5E - (Un)-Reliable Talent? How do you do it?

UPDATE: after having time to run the numbers today, I'm "ok" overall with RT working with both dice for advantage and disadvantage. What happens is RT tightens the effects of advantage and disadvantage. In other words, advantage won't help you as much as it might help another PC, but in the same...

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[jgsugden]

From Webster's dictionary:

OK, there is that meaning for a.

However, contextually, that is not the definition in play here. That is a very distinctive use.

This is not ambiguous.

 

[cbwjm]

As far as I'm concerned when reading reliable talent is that it is checking each d20. Each roll is a d20 roll. Each roll that is 1-9 is treated as a 10. This would be the same whether a check has disadvantage, advantage, or neither. Basically, the lowest a rogue can roll is a 10, unless they choose otherwise (such as a halfling rolling a 1 who decides to reroll.

 

[Coroc]

... Reliable talent allows you to treat a (as in one) d20 ...

That is your (wrong) interpretation, a (as in any) is the only thing that makes sense here.