D&D (2024) Reworked…revised…redone….but

[mamba]

I thought the official line was "Don't do it, because it will cause combat to 'grind'"?

no, because you would be missing weapon masteries and things like that, as @Parmandur wrote.

I assumed that was clear or I would have been more specific than ‘stuff’ and less ‘cute’

 

[TerraDave]

“Dungeons and Dragons 6” is pretty good.

 

[jayoungr]

Something her video was able to make clear is, the debate about whether to call 2024 a new edition or not is because:
• On the one hand, there are significant reworkings of the 2014 procedures.
• On the other hand, all of these 2024 reworkings strive to keep 2014 operational.

As far as I can tell, whether or not to call it a new edition is a purely arbitrary marketing decision. Backwards compatibility didn't stop 2E from being a new edition, nor did it force 3.5 to become a new edition.

no, because you would be missing weapon masteries and things like that, as @Parmandur wrote.

I was referring to this comment specifically

for combat "2024 rules are what should be used" (2014 rules "will grind") if 2024 character played with 2014 rules.

I'm hearing mixed messages about this specific issue.

 

[mamba]

I was referring to this comment specifically

I am not sure how a 2024 char in a 2014 game would ‘grind’.

If a 2014 char in a 2024 game does not do the opposite of ‘grind’ but is viable, then I am not sure how the opposite could be true. You will have to check with the person making that statement.

The only thing I can guess at is that the weapon masteries might take the 2024 char’s turn a little longer compared to a 2014 martial, but that already excludes casters and should not make a huge difference even for martial chars

 

[Parmandur]

As far as I can tell, whether or not to call it a new edition is a purely arbitrary marketing decision. Backwards compatibility didn't stop 2E from being a new edition, nor did it force 3.5 to become a new edition.


I was referring to this comment specifically


I'm hearing mixed messages about this specific issue.

Crawford has specified that means a 2024 PC shet will refer to stuff not in the 2014 Core books, like Weapon Masteries.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

As far as I can tell, whether or not to call it a new edition is a purely arbitrary marketing decision. Backwards compatibility didn't stop 2E from being a new edition, nor did it force 3.5 to become a new edition.

Yes. But that isn't inherently a negative thing. They have chosen to NOT call it a new edition to be clear that the old books are still in play - so that us FLGSes (and the rest of the market) can safely continue to sell them. There are more books in print, and more "in the wild" then there EVER has been before when the "Edition" has changed.

And the word Edition has always been used very inconsistently. If there was an established standard, they'd probably have used it. But we'd be on 16th edition or so.

I was referring to this comment specifically
I'm hearing mixed messages about this specific issue.

He meant it in the sense that the metaphorical GEARS would grind (there'd be the possibility of some things not lining up that might cause issues at the table) not in the video-game parlance of a combat grind.

It was a verb, not a noun.

 

[Yaarel]

I wonder how DnDBeyond will handle the backwards compatibility...

I dont see any issues with 2014 in a 2024 DnDBeyond. DDB already handles "legacy" content. You can specify which content your setting is using or not.

I'm hearing mixed messages about this specific issue.

Crawford also said, it is better to use a 2014 character in a 2024 game, than the other way around. 2014 couldnt predict the future. But 2024 can address issues with 2014 in hindsight.

 

[Stormonu]

It seems the combat changes in 2024 will favor going back to the grid with effects like Topple, Push and Teleporting being more common. I've always played with a grid since 2E, so it won't affect me (if I ever convert) but I imagine those who Theater of the Mind are going to be a bit annoyed by the extra mental tracking.

 

[Yaarel]

“Dungeons and Dragons 6” is pretty good.

Heh. She is also being playful here, because this is full-on "6e" taunting.

Her main point is, whether one calls it a new edition or not, depends on whether they want to emphasize the amount redone or the continuing usability of original 5e.

 

[Stalker0]

At the end of the day its a wait and see. I personally don't feel that 2024 vs 2014 is the same amount of change as compared to 3.0 vs 3.5.....but realistically we only have focused on 1 book. Once I see 3 books worth of change I may feel differently.