I like many of the changes apparently being done to races thus far, such as the splitting of the elves into Eladrin (what used to be arcane/civilized elves) and Elves (the naturalist elves) on top of the Drow. Nevertheless, I wonder whether this is going to be shoehorned into existing campaign worlds. For example, the Forgotten Realms has a history of numerous elven subraces, and it would make little continuity sense to get rid of them in favour of the new system. There are also the Planetouched, in FR. Aasimar, it seems, may bear some similarity to the new Eladrin, yet due to continuity reasons, I would still rather keep the aasimar in the Realms, even though I like what they are doing with the races in core.
Reworking of Races, Subraces and Existing Campaign Worlds
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Li Shenron
Legend
In FR they will probably just introduce some cosmic event or revelation during the 100-years gap.
Li Shenron said:
I'm pretty sure the timeline advance is "only" going to be ten years not 100. In Orc King the prologue is 100 years into the future, but I've read somwhere this was not the case with the setting.
Saying that, I really hope that they don´t do away with the elven subraces. Its probably better just to ignore the Eladrin for FR and keep the Sun, Moon, Copper and Wild elves or maybe the Eladrin can take the place of the Star Elves.
Desdichado
Legend
And I wish all along that they had ignored them. Those differences are better explained by having different cultural fluff rather than different mechanics. They should all have used the basic elf statline.Blothar said:
Kaodi
Legend
I am going to take a wild guess and say that the Eladrin are going to be the elves descended from the Undying Court/Blood of Vol elves, and Elves will be descended from the Tairnadal. And they will all be called elves still in Eberron. In Eberron, children of an Eladrin and and Elf will be either/or. At least that is my guess.
DandD
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But wasn't the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting always changed to fit the new edition rules? I mean, that's what the so-called Times of Troubles is all about, after all, isn't it? If such things are ingrained as part of the very background lore to this setting, why then be so mad about if it is commonly done in the Forgotten Realms?Kae'Yoss said:
Kae'Yoss
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DandD said:
Haven't you seen the lynchmobs that formed after that disaster?
The better solution was what they (mostly) did in 3e: they just "restated" things to fit the new rules. Let me give you an example.
In 2e, which didn't have sorcerers, the Simbul was probably a high-level wizard. In 3e, which had sorcerers, they then just said that the Simbul's A Sorcerer20/Wizard 10 (or something very much like that), and had always been. The rules/mechanics that described her changed, but she remained her old self. They didn't do a big RSE to explain why she suddenly casts spells based on how pretty she is.
I can totally see them doing that for 4e, too: So Drizzt now has a quick, "surgical strike" fighting style and does some manoeuvres. It's still Drizzt, the guy with two scimitars. Elminster is a 4e Wizard now, and fond of his staff. He's still his old self!
Eladrin are called Sun Elves in the 4e Realms. An Eladrin and an Elf procreating produce a full-bred Eladrin or Elf, not a mix (or maybe they do, if there's a half-eladrin, half-elf race in 4e).
The cosmology is just assumed to be like this, and having always been like this. They did that in 3e, too, and didn't need a RSE for that.
Nothing of this really requires slaughtering dozens of deities and millions of men.
