D&D 5E Riddle Mechanic? Suggestion? Advice?

Vaalingrade

Legend
So this just flew into my head:

So the characters involved all make an appropriate skill check. The highest DC determines the number of OOC guesses the group gets time the number of guesses the NPC riddle offers. Each other successful roll gives the group a hint they can have you give.

But.

You only give the hints when they ask for them. And only an answer the characters (not the PCs) offer up count.

This lets the players try without hints if they want, gives more guesses to the players than the PCs, and keeps everyone involved.
 

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Li Shenron

Legend
So anyone have suggestions or even another system they have come up with or know of to suggest?
I would generally advise against a "system". Even if you plan to have a riddle every session, you'll be better off handling each riddle in its own way rather than trying to make it fit with a chosen system.

Then I think your idea of granting hints towards the solution is of course fine... it's quite normal to use for example Knowledge skills for hints about the story/plot or anything else, so why not also for solving a riddle where the players are stuck. How many checks/hints? How high DC? Which skills apply? All that stuff better be decided for each riddle and the situation around it. Just setup the practice for yourself when you prepare the gaming session.

The only bit I would probably settle for in general, is to use group skill checks instead of individuals, because this is very likely always to be a case where success or failure applies to the group as a whole.

I think it would be much better in general, if you deploy a riddle with a cost for failure around it, when using the hints checks. One idea could be to link the riddle to a trap, with each failure triggering a chance for the trap to spring: see the famous organ-riddle-trap scene in the movie "The Goonies". This could be such that each time the players give a wrong answer and/or ask for a hint check they trigger such chance. Another idea could be diminishing returns, so that the prize for solving the riddle decreases.

The main challenge is tying these with the narrative. If you have a Sphinx delivering the riddle, you could easily have it explicitly tell the characters that she will give them less of what they need for every failure. But of course this requires that what they need is quantitative, such as a magic item or information, if the prize is simply granted passage then it would be harder to diminish it.

What if instead the puzzle is not delivered as a question by a creature? How are the characters supposed to deliver their answer? My favourite type of riddles are the mathematical ones, and in that case I try to deploy the riddle in the form of a mechanical device that needs to be setup properly to represent the answer. If the answer is a number, my typical solution is having a plate or container with a counterweight mechanism, and a number of pebbles/coins/etc available, and the characters must put the correct number of them on the plate and pull a lever. You can then have all sorts of bad stuff happen when the number is incorrect. If the answer is a word or a specific order/permutation of items, you can have small objects representing them (e.g. small figurines of things the name initial of which can be used to "write" the answer).

All that doesn't necessarily have to do much with the "hints", which you can allow independently from how many tries at the answer are allowed. You can in fact just manage hints as the characters thinking over and pondering the answer before even trying it. In that case, time can be the cost for asking each additional hint, but this works only if time is an issue at all in the current adventure, otherwise it is not really a cost. The only risk to watch out for here, is trying to avoid the case when the players just ask for all the hints possible because there is neither a cost for that, nor an advantage for solving the riddle without hints.
 

I think riddles are one of those elements (along with twist endings) that work much better in more conventional narrative storytelling than in a tabletop game. There is just too much riding on the participants getting it, but not getting it too early or too easily. It is relatively difficult to do well even in a novel where the author has a lot more precise control over how it it presented.

Which is not to say it shouldn't be attempted, but I think if it is attempted it should either be for something super low stakes (ie: they can bypass answering or skip the riddle encounter) or if it is high stakes it should be less a proper riddle they can unravel through clever analysis and more an unknowable "riddle" they have to go quest for the answer to, thus playing to the strengths of the medium.

It can also be interesting to have the "answer" have to come in the form of an npc or object they must go fetch, particularly if it is something they already encountered. Having a distinctive but seemingly innocuous person or object turn out to be the key to everything has a riddle-like quality that I think plays better at a D&D table than word games.
 

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