Ring of Blades (Complete Arcane) spell?

[glass]

It doesn't matter for DR. Spell damages always bypass DR.

But it does matter for Regeneration i guess. For example, Chain Devil cannot convert damages from silver weapon. By RAW some may argue that those blades are just spells and not weapons, though.

Ah good point!


glass.

 

[frankthedm]

It doesn't matter for DR. Spell damages always bypass DR.

But it does matter for Regeneration i guess. For example, Chain Devil cannot convert damages from silver weapon. By RAW some may argue that those blades are just spells and not weapons, though.

It is hypocritical to try and say they are weapons when you just said they ignore DR.

 

[Shin Okada]

It is hypocritical to try and say they are weapons when you just said they ignore DR.

Not exactly. Being a spell effect and being a weapon may not be mutually exclusive (actually, the rules are not that much clear about this).

If something is a spell effect and a weapon, it automatically bypass DR but is counted as a xxx weapon.
If something is a spell effect but not a weapon, it automatically bypass DR but is not counted as a xxx weapon.
If something is not a spell effect and is a weapon, it does not automatically bypass DR (unless the material/alignment matches) but is counted as a xxx weapon.

And AFAIK, there is no clear definition for what is weapon or not, in the rulebook.

But anyway, above is very narrow (and confusing) RAW way of arguing rules. If I were the DM I will just say something made of silver inflicts normal damages to Chain Devil no matter what it is.

 

[frankthedm]

RING OF BLADES
Conjuration
(Creation) Level: Cleric 3,
warmage 3
Components: V,S,M
Casting Time: 1standard action
Range: Personal
Target; You
Duration: 1 min./level
[apparently no SR]
This spell conjures a horizontal ring of swirling metal blades around you. The ring extends 5 feet from you, into all squares adjacent to your space, and it moves with you as you move. Each round on your turn[errated to the end of your turn], starting when you cast the spell, the blades deal 1d6 points of damage +1 point per caster level (maximum +10} to all creatures in the affected area.
The blades conjured by a lawful-aligned cleric are cold iron, those conjured by a chaotic-aligned cleric are silver, and those conjured by a cleric who is neither lawful or chaotic are steel.

Material component: a small dagger

If i allowed the spell, I'd say the spell brings the blades, the blades auto hit doing weapon damage, counting as weapons, allowing for DR.

Anyone who expects no save, no SR, no attack roll, no energy resist & no DR is just fragging greedy.

 

[FEADIN]

It's exactly that, it's not a spell effect, the effect is conjuring the blades, once here the blades strike and they are subject to DR, as for a conjurated monster which strikes someone.

 

[frankthedm]

It's exactly that, it's not a spell effect, the effect is conjuring the blades, once here the blades strike and they are subject to DR, as for a conjurated monster which strikes someone.

the 3.N ruleset is VERY codified and literal, if that was the designer's intent, the spell should have had it written in the desciption a little better.

 

[Nonlethal Force]

Also noted that it is a horizontal ring of blades. So, if your bad guys have been studying the coming party like they should be (unless they have low intelligence) they might want to cast fly (or some other levitating type spell). Attacks from above - even melee attacks should not be affected even if the enemy is in the block directly above the character. Because the ring is horizontal by definition.

I suppose, wouldn't you, that even if the character went prone on their back that the blades would now circle the body head to foot parallel to the ground instead of the "around the torso" presentation in the book? Hadn't thought much about that aspect. So they could again be healed from above.

 

[JimAde]

the 3.N ruleset is VERY codified and literal, if that was the designer's intent, the spell should have had it written in the desciption a little better.

I agree it could have been clearer, but obviously the different materials are intended to penetrate the DR of devils/demons based on your alignment. Therefore the designers must have intended for DR to apply.

You're right. There's no reason to be greedy.

 

[Teemu]

How about this?

Does damage reduction help against powers that deal
slashing, piercing, or bludgeoning damage, such as crystal
shard (Expanded Psionics Handbook, page 89)?
Spells (and powers), spell-like abilities, and energy attacks
ignore damage reduction (DUNGEON MASTER’s Guide, page
292). Thus, even if a spell or power describes its damage as
bludgeoning, piercing, or slashing, it is still a spell (or power)
effect, and thus damage reduction does not apply (unless the
spell or power’s description specifically states otherwise).

 

[FEADIN]

Also noted that it is a horizontal ring of blades. So, if your bad guys have been studying the coming party like they should be (unless they have low intelligence) they might want to cast fly (or some other levitating type spell). Attacks from above - even melee attacks should not be affected even if the enemy is in the block directly above the character. Because the ring is horizontal by definition.

I suppose, wouldn't you, that even if the character went prone on their back that the blades would now circle the body head to foot parallel to the ground instead of the "around the torso" presentation in the book? Hadn't thought much about that aspect. So they could again be healed from above.

Yes, it's a bit confusing because it says "horizontal ring" and "all adjacent square" may be you have a small "rotor" of blade on the head?