Rogues automatically suceed at Hard Tasks

[PinkRose]

So Rogues automatically succeed at Hard Tasks they are skilled in, right?
Skill Mastery (10) + Skill Mastery or Ability (+3 or more) + Skill (+3) = 16+
Is this correct?
How do you feel about it?
Would setting a Hard DC to 17 be better?

 

[Teataine]

So Rogues automatically succeed at Hard Tasks they are skilled in, right?
Skill Mastery (10) + Skill Mastery or Ability (+3 or more) + Skill (+3) = 16+
Is this correct?
How do you feel about it?
Would setting a Hard DC to 17 be better?

The DC guidelines say examples of DC16 actions are "Pick a typical lock" and "Cross a wildly swaying rope bridge".

I do not see those things as being beyond the ability of a typical rogue. Yes it's powerful but not too powerful for my tastes.

 

[Blackwarder]

I wouldn't change it, I don't mind if the rouge is able to almost always succeed in the skills he is train at, that what a skill monkey is best for.

Warder

 

[Falling Icicle]

I see no good reason why rogues should be better at using their skills than anyone else is. They already get far more skills than anyone else, thanks to getting two backgrounds. Why should a Rogue Sage be better at Lore skills than a Wizard Sage? Ditto for any other class/background combination.

 

[Minigiant]

I see no good reason why rogues should be better at using their skills than anyone else is. They already get far more skills than anyone else, thanks to getting two backgrounds. Why should a Rogue Sage be better at Lore skills than a Wizard Sage? Ditto for any other class/background combination.

Because the rogue is the skill expert (one of them) and the wizard is a magic expert (one of them).

 

[Chris_Nightwing]

My main problem with being able to take 10 on any skill check is that life as a Rogue is rather boring.

 

[Falling Icicle]

Because the rogue is the skill expert (one of them) and the wizard is a magic expert (one of them).

You're just stating how it is as justification for it being that way. Why should the rogue be the "skill expert?" Skills are something everyone has. Why should rogues be better at it than anyone else? They have many other niches they can fill that are far less boring and controversial.

It would be cool, for example, if they let rogues trade sneak attack damage for special attacks the same way fighters can give up combat superiority dice. Things like inflicting Bleed damage, blinding foes, disrupting spellcasting and other dirty tricks are things I'd like to see them be able to do. I'd also like to see them get choices of other cool special abilities, like evasion, hide in plain sight, disguise, forgery, and use magic device, to name a few. Those things are, IMO, alot cooler and more distinctive than "I can take 10 on any skill!"

 

[Minigiant]

You're just stating how it is as justification for it being that way. Why should the rogue be the "skill expert?" Skills are something everyone has. Why should rogues be better at it than anyone else? They have many other niches they can fill that are far less boring and controversial.

It would be cool, for example, if they let rogues trade sneak attack damage for special attacks the same way fighters can give up combat superiority dice. Things like inflicting Bleed damage, blinding foes, disrupting spellcasting and other dirty tricks are things I'd like to see them be able to do. I'd also like to see them get choices of other cool special abilities, like evasion, hide in plain sight, disguise, forgery, and use magic device, to name a few. Those things are, IMO, alot cooler and more distinctive than "I can take 10 on any skill!"

But rogues are one of the skill classes. Rogues put more of their training into their skills than the rest.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

And it shoots up to 11 already by level 5

 

[DonAdam]

And it shoots up to 11 already by level 5

Cue Spinal Tap jokes.