RotK spoilers: The Sauruman Problem

[Alaric_Prympax]

There's a fourth - he offers it to Tom Bombadil, who is both uninterested in keeping it and unaffected by it. Elrond's council briefly discusses just giving the ring to Bombadil to keep since he's the only being who could resist the temptation of using it. They eventually decide that it's not good enough to hide the ring, it has to be destroyed.

Bombadil of course didn't make it into the movies at all - too long a side trek.

I remember Bombadil putting the Ring on and not being affected by it. I just don't remember Frodo offering it to him but I do remember the Council thinking that giving him the Ring is one way to keep it from Sauron for a time. I'll have to go back and take a look at those Bombadil's chapters.

 

[hong]

Will you people please stop talking about Frodo offering his ring to anyone who wanted it. This is just not a suitably respectful treatment of J.R.R. Martin's masterpiece.


Hong "everyone knows that the only person who deserves Frodo's ring is Sam" Ooi

 

[KenM]

Of course its never really explained why they don't just fly onto Mt. Doom with the giant eagles. The eagles convently show up at the end to save Frodo and Sam, Gandalf asks for help when He is on top of Isengaurd, one comes. The eagles also help out in the Hobbit at some point. I feel that there should have been some sort of explination on why the eagles don't help out more, or at the end of the Return of the King movie, people are going to wonder why they did not fly in. You have a bunch of elves, gandalf, ect, fly in with Frodo for cover, have great air battles. Or you just have a line with elrond asking Gandalf why the eagles can't go in and He gives a reason, but NOTHING is said.

 

[Alaric_Prympax]

J.R.R. Martin's masterpiece.

J.R.R. Martin?

Are you talking about The Lord of Ice and Fire or The Song of the Rings?

 

[KenM]

IMO Martin is a much better writer then JRRT.

 

[Pants]

Of course its never really explained why they don't just fly onto Mt. Doom with the giant eagles. The eagles convently show up at the end to save Frodo and Sam, Gandalf asks for help when He is on top of Isengaurd, one comes. The eagles also help out in the Hobbit at some point. I feel that there should have been some sort of explination on why the eagles don't help out more, or at the end of the Return of the King movie, people are going to wonder why they did not fly in. You have a bunch of elves, gandalf, ect, fly in with Frodo for cover, have great air battles. Or you just have a line with elrond asking Gandalf why the eagles can't go in and He gives a reason, but NOTHING is said.

I'm hoping that the eagles actually get cut out of the end. They seemed way too deus ex machina to me. That whole part really bothered me in the books and I hope PJ cuts it.

 

[shilsen]

Of course its never really explained why they don't just fly onto Mt. Doom with the giant eagles. The eagles convently show up at the end to save Frodo and Sam, Gandalf asks for help when He is on top of Isengaurd, one comes. The eagles also help out in the Hobbit at some point. I feel that there should have been some sort of explination on why the eagles don't help out more, or at the end of the Return of the King movie, people are going to wonder why they did not fly in. You have a bunch of elves, gandalf, ect, fly in with Frodo for cover, have great air battles. Or you just have a line with elrond asking Gandalf why the eagles can't go in and He gives a reason, but NOTHING is said.

It's covered in the book. The eagles can't help for the same reason that Gandalf doesn't take Glorfindel in the fellowship. Someone that powerful (or something that obvious, as in the eagles) would simply draw Sauron's attention and he'd squash them as soon as he saw them. Whereas Frodo sneaks in the back way, and by the time Sauron realises he's there, he's already inside Mount Doom. For all their heroism, Gandalf and Aragorn and co. function almost purely as a distraction (and it is specifically to serve that end that Aragorn chooses to go to the gates of Mordor).

Unfortunately, as you point out, none of that is touched upon in the movie. We'll have to wait and see whether PJ simply removes the eagles from the last battle.

 

[Alaric_Prympax]

Unfortunately, as you point out, none of that is touched upon in the movie. We'll have to wait and see whether PJ simply removes the eagles from the last battle.

If he does that I wonder how he is going to save Frodo and Sam?

 

[TiQuinn]

I'm hoping that the eagles actually get cut out of the end. They seemed way too deus ex machina to me. That whole part really bothered me in the books and I hope PJ cuts it.

Deus ex machina, possibly, but how do you suggest Frodo and Sam escape in the end?

 

[diaglo]

Deus ex machina, possibly, but how do you suggest Frodo and Sam escape in the end?

they don't. pj has changed the story so much. why not change this.