RotK spoilers: The Sauruman Problem

[Pants]

Deus ex machina, possibly, but how do you suggest Frodo and Sam escape in the end?

I don't know, I'm not the filmmaker, but I've always disliked the Eagles' roles in the books. They seemed way too overpowered compared to everything else for my tastes.

 

[TiQuinn]

they don't. pj has changed the story so much. why not change this.

Nah, he hasn't changed it that much. He just cut out all the dumb stuff. Tolkien needed a better editior.

"Who's this Tom Bumbadeel guy?"

"It's Bombadil."

"Whatever! He's pointless! Get rid of him! And while you're at, can you at least throw in a love scene for the female audience? Demographics, man!"

 

[Dark Jezter]

I don't know, I'm not the filmmaker, but I've always disliked the Eagles' roles in the books. They seemed way too overpowered compared to everything else for my tastes.

Maybe the Eagles will get nerfed in LOTR 3.5e.

Although if anything is overpowered in LOTR, it's the elves. Ever notice how everything good is of elven-make?

 

[Salthanas]

Of course its never really explained why they don't just fly onto Mt. Doom with the giant eagles. The eagles convently show up at the end to save Frodo and Sam, Gandalf asks for help when He is on top of Isengaurd, one comes. The eagles also help out in the Hobbit at some point. I feel that there should have been some sort of explination on why the eagles don't help out more, or at the end of the Return of the King movie, people are going to wonder why they did not fly in. You have a bunch of elves, gandalf, ect, fly in with Frodo for cover, have great air battles. Or you just have a line with elrond asking Gandalf why the eagles can't go in and He gives a reason, but NOTHING is said.

Perhaps because the Eye of Sauron might just notice a big eagle flying deep into the depths of Mordor and do something about it. It kind of defeats the purpose of trying to get there by stealth if you have a whole troop of eagles bearing riders heading towards Mount Doom. Given that Sauron can govern the storms around Mordor it would be pretty much suicide even without counting the winged Nazgul and the fact that the ring would eventually corrupt whoever was wearing it.

 

[Pants]

Maybe the Eagles will get nerfed in LOTR 3.5e.

Although if anything is overpowered in LOTR, it's the elves. Ever notice how everything good is of elven-make?

Kinda... I guess, but whenever the Eagles come and join a battle, whatever side they join wins. In the Battle of the Five Armies, they show up and annihilate the orcs. In the Battle before the Black Gate, in which Gondor had almost no chance of winning, the Eagles show up and proceed to tear apart Sauron's army.

Maybe if the Eagles went through what the Elves did, then maybe I would bash them less.

 

[hong]

Will you people please stop talking about the Eagles in this way. I don't care what some critics think, the Eagles are a great, great band and rock 'n roll would not have been the same without them.


Hong "never left the Hotel California" Ooi

 

[Piratecat]

Kinda... I guess, but whenever the Eagles come and join a battle, whatever side they join wins. In the Battle of the Five Armies, they show up and annihilate the orcs. In the Battle before the Black Gate, in which Gondor had almost no chance of winning, the Eagles show up and proceed to tear apart Sauron's army.

Seriously. Eagles are TOTALLY broken.

 

[Pants]

Seriously. Eagles are TOTALLY broken.

Stupid Eagles and their twinky PrC's. Soon, just wait, there are going to be more Eagle Subraces than you can count. Wood Eagles? Pah. Wild Eagles? Sun Eagles! And of course you can't forget the munchkin Dark Eagle Rangers would are dual wielding talons.
Blah, I say.

 

[Dark Jezter]

Stupid Eagles and their twinky PrC's. Soon, just wait, there are going to be more Eagle Subraces than you can count. Wood Eagles? Pah. Wild Eagles? Sun Eagles! And of course you can't forget the munchkin Dark Eagle Rangers would are dual wielding talons.
Blah, I say.

That is so going in my signature.

 

[kengar]

Kinda... I guess, but whenever the Eagles come and join a battle, whatever side they join wins. In the Battle of the Five Armies, they show up and annihilate the orcs. In the Battle before the Black Gate, in which Gondor had almost no chance of winning, the Eagles show up and proceed to tear apart Sauron's army.

Maybe if the Eagles went through what the Elves did, then maybe I would bash them less.

FWIW, Aragorn's army is losing the battle in front of the Black Gate even with the eagles. He's getting ready for a last stand when the ring goes into the Fire and Sauron is destroyed. That's what wins the battle, not a bunch of overgrown raptors.