Pathfinder 1E Ryan Dancey Predicts Pathfinder RPG in '06

[SSquirrel]

I think if you tell people they won't have to pay $100 bucks for new core books plus all the supplements that WotC will come out with plus $14.95 a month for DDI.

You might find a few takers. Heck Paizo has said it keep playing 3.5 their mods will work just fine.

So far the Alpha has enough differences that if you want to use your old adventures and stuff you will have a lot of extra converting to do or else your Pathfinder classed characters will get thru things a decent bit easier. I have yet to see anyone say you NEED to buy all the material you mention above. The DDI has been stated that it is an extra thing not a required thing.

Which tends to give with my experience that only about 1/3rd of people really classify as human opposed to livestock.

Or gee, maybe people looked at what they have seen of 4E so far, liked it, and made the CHOICE to go that route. Just b/c people are planning to buy 4E doesnt' make them sheep.

 

[Jackelope King]

What is gaming like in your area? You could always come up to NYC for a little Pathfinder

I think if you tell people they won't have to pay $100 bucks for new core books plus all the supplements that WotC will come out with plus $14.95 a month for DDI.

You might find a few takers. Heck Paizo has said it keep playing 3.5 their mods will work just fine.

But hey maybe you will like 4th ed better and to each his own

4e seems to be offering a lot of what I'd want in a fantasy game (though the degree to which I invest in supplements with 4e is unknown until I get to read the finished product). Pathfinder looks like it's going to be solid, but I'm worried that in order for it to justify its own existence as an independent game, it will need to change just enough that it will be a difficult to apply 3.5 materials to the game as it was to apply 3.0 materials to 3.5. If it fails to do this, I worry that it won't provide reason enough for gamers who are happy with 3.5 to use it for anything more than a supplement to their well-loved 3.5 PHBs. At best, my guess is that Paizo is going to support Pathfinder strongly until they're ready to switch to 4e for their Adventure Paths (the meat and potatoes of their business) for GenCon 2009 or thereabouts, after which Pathfinder will fall to the ranks of their beloved house-system which gets occasional support (at best dual-stat listing in the Adventure Paths).

And either way, I've got M&M... I'll be happy

 

[SSquirrel]

Pathfinder looks like it's going to be solid, but I'm worried that in order for it to justify its own existence as an independent game, it will need to change just enough that it will be a difficult to apply 3.5 materials to the game as it was to apply 3.0 materials to 3.5. If it fails to do this, I worry that it won't provide reason enough for gamers who are happy with 3.5 to use it for anything more than a supplement to their well-loved 3.5 PHBs. At best, my guess is that Paizo is going to support Pathfinder strongly until they're ready to switch to 4e for their Adventure Paths (the meat and potatoes of their business) for GenCon 2009 or thereabouts, after which Pathfinder will fall to the ranks of their beloved house-system which gets occasional support (at best dual-stat listing in the Adventure Paths).

The part that makes even less sense about all this is that, assuming this was correct, around the time they would be releasing the Pathfinder RPG in August 2009 they would maybe be switching to 4E. So the development of the PFRPG would just be something to keep people busy really, which doesn't make sense. If they go thru w/the PFRPG, we likely won't see Paizo 4E Adventure Paths until at least GenCon 2010. This doesn't count Necromancer Games 4E APs as Paizo is the publisher not the designer in that case.

 

[BryonD]

Or gee, maybe people looked at what they have seen of 4E so far, liked it, and made the CHOICE to go that route. Just b/c people are planning to buy 4E doesnt' make them sheep.

If, just for the sake of argument, you accept the polls presented as reasonably accurate, then 1/3 are doing what you said and 1/3 are doing it because they are simply following the brand name.

I'm not saying that is TRUTH, but I am saying that in context your response to HeavenShallBurn is not fair.

 

[HeavenShallBurn]

My comment was more a general observation than a specific one. The origin was the reference to 2/3rds of a poll saying the name D&D mattered so much that if you gave a completely different system the name D&D they would play it just because of that name. And a similar percentage would not play D&D if you renamed it to give the name D&D to another game.

I was just remarking that it reinforced my observation that relatively few people act like humans rather than livestock with thumbs.

 

[SSquirrel]

If, just for the sake of argument, you accept the polls presented as reasonably accurate, then 1/3 are doing what you said and 1/3 are doing it because they are simply following the brand name.

I'm not saying that is TRUTH, but I am saying that in context your response to HeavenShallBurn is not fair.

Actually the original bit in this thread was from GregK saying "We have had one poll stating that roughly 2/3 of the people participating are going to 4e. We have also had a poll in which roughly 2/3 of the people participating said that they would not switch if the new game was not named DND."

Now I haven't seen these polls and no link was provided, so going now hat I read right here, it sounds like 2/3 like 4E and 1/3 don't. The other poll says 2/3 of the people are attached enough to the name to not switch if they called it something else (ex. "Killing Stuff and Taking Its Loot' by WotC). I can understand being atatched to the name, and really, if it wasn't called D&D it would NOT be D&D anymore

I don't think the 2/3 are sheep comment is fair b/c from the first poll 2/3 of the people could have all made critical review and found in favor of uprgading. The other 1/3 could easily have been having knee jerk "I fear change", which is pretty sheeplike if you ask me, just in the opposite direction.

Based solely on what I read in the forum, I responded to HSB that way. If there was more to the original polls great, but I haven't seen them. If there was more to those threads than the outline Greg gave, then I'm sorry HSB, I'm just reading what I see here

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

I do wonder if a some point in the future we will see some legal action by WotC against Pazio over Pathfinder. Trying to limit what the can do with the OGL, and set the legal limits of their GSL at the same time. And they may be rewriting the GSL as we speak with this in mind.

I don't think that'll happen. The OGL ship has sailed, and I don't think WotC has any option to bring her back (if they wanted to do so).

Completely as an aside - here's a prediction for you: We're all missing the point. Pathfinder won't be 4E's major competition. PF is a bandaged version of an older edition. WotC needs to worry about a wholly new, vibrant and different game. I don't know the name of it yet, but I bet it's something similar to WoW and, perhaps, 4E.

W.P.

 

[BryonD]

I don't think the 2/3 are sheep comment is fair b/c from the first poll 2/3 of the people could have all made critical review and found in favor of uprgading. The other 1/3 could easily have been having knee jerk "I fear change", which is pretty sheeplike if you ask me, just in the opposite direction.

But the comment wasn't that 2/3 are sheep. It was 1/3. And the math for that DOES work.

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

I just took a poll of my players and we determined 7 of 8 gamers aren't switching to 4E because they are frightened of change, and 4 of those 7 are panicked.

Completely worthless poll, I know, but validity doesn't seem to be a requirement when quoting statistics around here.

Wis

 

[SSquirrel]

But the comment wasn't that 2/3 are sheep. It was 1/3. And the math for that DOES work.

Which tends to give with my experience that only about 1/3rd of people really classify as human opposed to livestock.

3/3-2/3=1/3 NOT livestock. That certainly appears to be calling everyone moving to 4E livestock, which I find offensive.