Sage says, "Unseen Servants Fly"

Mark

CreativeMountainGames.com
I suppose I had never really thought about it, and it hasn't ever come up (perhaps oddly), but it struck me as odd that in the latest issue of Dragon Magazine, Mr. Williams says that Unseen Servants fly.

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Q.- Can the servant you create with the unseen servant spell fly? Can it only move along the ground? Does the servant trigger attacks of opportunity?

A.- Though an unseen servant does not have a fly speed, the caster can nevertheless direct the servant to go anywhere within the spell's range (including up or down), provided that the servant does not pass through a solid barrier to get there and that the caster has a line of effect to the servant at the beginning of its movement for the turn. ...the servant's movement does not trigger an attack of opportunity (and the servant is not subject to melee attacks in any case).
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I'm not sure how to feel about this. On the one hand he freely admits that no fly speed is given, therefore suggesting that since it wasn't given the speed that is given should have been assumed to be for regular (ground) movement. On the other hand, why assume it should be able to fly if it hasn't been given a fly speed?

He goes on in his next question and answer to deal with the strength and encumberance of the servant, and a third Q&A to speak to the space a servant may or may not take (and possible cover issues). Feel free to discuss those in this thread as well, though the flying thing was the one that first got me going... :)
 

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I think in may ways that the unseen servant can be treated as an incorporeal entity that has a force effect which allows the movement of objects (cf. ghost touch). As such, it doesn't fly, but it can move in any direction, including through solid objects (though of course it can't carry objects through solid ones, since they remain firmly in the Material Plane).

I know that they've assigned a fly speed to, say, wraiths but it isn't actually necessary to do so; I guess it means that they can move faster when they want to, is all. But they didn't have to do so; they could 'fly' as incorporeal beings. So treat the unseen servant in a similar fashion; it's incorporeal, can effectively fly, but doesn't have the higher speed option.

Hope that helps. It's how I think of them.
 

Since the Unseen Servant isn't any form of "being" incorporeal or otherwise, I believe the "fly" in this context is just a way to explain to players/DMs how to adjudicate its movement.

The unseen servant is a Force, that's all ... how does a force move? No one knows ... so describe it as Fly and suddenly its logical.
 

dvvega said:
Since the Unseen Servant isn't any form of "being" incorporeal or otherwise, I believe the "fly" in this context is just a way to explain to players/DMs how to adjudicate its movement.

The unseen servant is a Force, that's all ... how does a force move? No one knows ... so describe it as Fly and suddenly its logical.
Or you can think of it that way! :D

Actually that's a lot better than my description so please regard my previous post as null-and-void! :)
 


Even if it didn't fly, the servant isn't given any form of dimensions - there's really nothing to stop it being able to 'reach' an object that's 25 feet in the air, even if it's 'feet' are on the ground.

The only thing that giving it a 'flying' rate does is allow it to accompany the user when the ground is out of range of the spell.
 

Here are the other two questions and Answers regarding the unseen servant spell handled by the Sage in Dragon issue #301-

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Q.- Can the unseen servant run? Is it subject to encumberance?

A.- Though the spell description mention "running and fetching," an unseen servant cannot use the run action. An unseen servant has a Strength score, and it is subject to the encumberance rules. It moves as its full speed of 15 only when carrying a load of 6 pounds or less. If carrying 7 to 20 pounds its speed is 10 feet. It also moves at a speed of 10 feet when dragging 7 to 100 pounds. Because it has a strength of 2, it can lift as much as 40 pounds (double its heavy load), and can move 5 feet each round (staggering) when doing so. Note that an unseen servant must move along the ground when draggin something, but it can move in three dimensions when carrying anything it can lift.

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Q.- How much space does an unseen servant take up? Does it block a space or provide cover?

A.- An unseen servant is a shpaeless force. It takes up no space (but as a spell effect it cannot pass barriers) and does not provide cover. It does not block attacks or magical effects, and it does not prevent movement through the space where it is located. When an unseen servant spell is cast, however, you do need to keep track of its location, because the spell ends if the caster goes out of range. You'll also need to know how long it takes the servant to carry something to the caster, and, since area-effect spells can destroy the servant, you'll need to know its location to know if an area-effect spell harms it.
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Crothian said:
To tell you the truth, I also thought they flew to begin with. Maybe that's a hold over from early editions, I don't know.

I've never owned the basic editions boxed sets, just the regular rules, so I do not know if there is something that is in print that says much more. From the previous hard back books...

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AD&D 1E - The unseen servant is a non-visible valet, a butler to step and fetch, open doors and hold chairs, as well as clean and mend. The spell creates a force which is not strong, but which obeys the command of the magic-user. It can carry only light-weight items -- a maximum of 200 gold pieces weight suspended, twice that amount moving across a relatively friction-free surface such as a smooth stone or wood floor. It can only open normal doors, drawers, lids, etc. The unseen servant cannot fight, nor can it be killed, as it is a force rather than a creature. It can be magically dispelled, or eliminated after taking 6 hit points of magical damage. The material components of the spell are a piece of string and a bit of wood.

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AD&D 2E - The unseen servant is an invisible, mindless and shapeless force, used to step and fetch, open unstuck doors, and hold chairs, as well as to clean and mend. It is not strong, but unfailingly obeys the command of the wizard. It can perform only oneactivity at a time and can move only lightweight items, carrying a maximum of 20 pounds or pushing/pulling 40 pounds across a smooth surface. It can open only normal doors, drawers, lids, etc. The unseen servant cannot fight, nor can it be killed, as it is a force rather than a creature. It can be magically dispelled, or eliminated after receiving 6 points of damage from area-effect spells, breath weapons, or similar attacks. If the caster attempts to send it beyond the allowed radius, the spell ends immediately. ... The material components of the spell are a piece of sting and a bit of wood.

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D&D3E - The unseen servant is an invisible, mindless, shapeless force that performs simple tasks at your command. It can run and fetch things, open unstuck doors and hold chairs, as well as clean and mend. The sevant can perform only one activity at a time, but it repeats the same activity over and over again if told to do so, thus allowing you to clean the floor and then turn your attention elsewhere as long as you remain within range. It can only open normal doors, drawers, lids, etc. It has an effective strength score of 2 (so it can lift 20 pounds or drag 100 pounds). It can trigger traps and such, but it can exeert only 20 punds of force, and that is not enough to activate certain pressure plates and other devices. Its speed is 15. ... The servant cannot attack in any way; it is never allowed an attack roll. It cannot be killed but dissipates if it takes 6 points of damage from area attacks. (It gets no saves against attacks.) If you attempt to send it beyond the spell's range (measured from your current position), the servant ceases to exist. ... Material Components: A piece of string and a bit of wood.

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All three seem to imply, IMO, that the unseen servant moves along the ground.

Deadguy said:
I think in may ways that the unseen servant can be treated as an incorporeal entity that has a force effect which allows the movement of objects (cf. ghost touch). As such, it doesn't fly, but it can move in any direction, including through solid objects (though of course it can't carry objects through solid ones, since they remain firmly in the Material Plane).

I know that they've assigned a fly speed to, say, wraiths but it isn't actually necessary to do so; I guess it means that they can move faster when they want to, is all. But they didn't have to do so; they could 'fly' as incorporeal beings. So treat the unseen servant in a similar fashion; it's incorporeal, can effectively fly, but doesn't have the higher speed option.

Hope that helps. It's how I think of them.

You've added more below so I'll just follow along.

dvvega said:
Since the Unseen Servant isn't any form of "being" incorporeal or otherwise, I believe the "fly" in this context is just a way to explain to players/DMs how to adjudicate its movement.

The unseen servant is a Force, that's all ... how does a force move? No one knows ... so describe it as Fly and suddenly its logical.

I see what you are saying, but perhaps someone should know. Maybe there needs to be some mechanic that handles this specifically. I think that using the word "Fly" is a bit loose, especially since they assign it a regular speed and a Strength score.

Deadguy said:
Or you can think of it that way! :D

Actually that's a lot better than my description so please regard my previous post as null-and-void! :)

Noted. :)

(Psi)SeveredHead said:
What's the Sage's new email address, please?

I do not know. There was nothing that I found in the column or in the masthead of the magazine. Sorry. :(

Saeviomagy said:
Even if it didn't fly, the servant isn't given any form of dimensions - there's really nothing to stop it being able to 'reach' an object that's 25 feet in the air, even if it's 'feet' are on the ground.

The only thing that giving it a 'flying' rate does is allow it to accompany the user when the ground is out of range of the spell.

I've posted the additional Q's and A's but I think that what you propose might not follow the same logic being used to explain the unseen servant in the various explanations. I'll hold off saying more until you've had the chance to review the additional material and perhaps clarify your proposal, if you will please. :)
 

I've still been thinking about this because something about it just doesn't sit right with me but I can't quite put my finger on it. If it doesn't actually have a flying speed, does it have a relationship with other objects, such as a carpet of flying? To whit, if it is not actually in contact with the ground, but it is conjured assumably on top of a carpet of flying, can it be conveyed while on a carpet of flying and thereby move at the speed of the carpet of flying? If so, and the conjuring wizard is on the carpet of flying along with the unseen servant does the weight held by the unseen servant also get counted against the weight capacity limit of the carpet of flying? Can multiple unseen servants combine to hold up double their weight carrying capacity? Since unseen servants take up no space, is there any limit to the number of unseen servants that can therefore be on a carpet of flying and holding their weight capacity regardless of the weight capacity of the carpet of flying?
 

I think that in 3rd edition the Unseen Servant spell is simply a slightly upgraded version of mage hand that doesn't take concentration to use, can effect heavier items, and can perform repetitive tasks on it's own.

It has no weight and no shape, it isn't really "present" at all in any normal sense. It doesn't have a "relationship" with anything except the caster (in that it can only affect things within the range of the spell, which is centered on the caster).

It can't really "sit" or "be" on a flying carpet, since they have no shape and no real presence. The carpet wouldn't have any effect on the servant, the servant would maintain it's position relative to you unless you command it otherwise. You could have any number of unseen servants affecting items in the same square, and they should be able to combine their strength to support larger objects, just as two or more people could each support part of the weight of an object.

Try imagining it as an extra set of invisible, insubstantial hands with a strength of 2, at the end of "arms" that are as long as the spells range.
 
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