[Savage Species] ECL of Quickling?

[mmu1]

I think this is, in general, just an unplayable race. I don't think there is a decent way of making it so that it's not either low ECL and ridiculously overpowered, or such high ECL that it doesn't have enough class levels to be playable.

 

[Orco42]

So we have some people saying +6, +7, +10 and unplayable.

I think I may have to do what Sollir said and make a toned down version.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[CRGreathouse]

I just want to point out that if anything small size is +1 ECL, not -1 ECL.

+1 haste
+1 invisibility
-1 Small size

(I'm not trying to pick on you, thundershot; this is more about SS.)

I love the idea that a balanced Medium-size race keep the same ECL by becoming Small and gaining permanant haste...

 

[Spatula]

(I'm not trying to pick on you, thundershot; this is more about SS.)
I love the idea that a balanced Medium-size race keep the same ECL by becoming Small and gaining permanant haste...

Well, SS doesn't discuss level adjustments for "always-on" spells. A permanent haste would be worth at least +2, maybe even +3 IMO (since haste as a spell-like would be +1 for a 1 HD creature).

 

[thundershot]

Um... Savage Species page 11, second column, under Size, it says "A small creature gets a -1 level adjustment. It is somewhat harder to hit than a medium-size one, but it moves more slowly and must use smaller weapons. A small creature also typically has a lower Strength score than a medium-size creature."



Chris