"Save Ends Both"

[the Jester]

If a monster hits me and makes me "slowed and weakened (save ends both)", do I make one save against each effect (= two saves altogether) or one single save against both effects?

 

[Donatello]

One save for both effects. If it was separare saves, it would say (save ends) twice.

 

[the Jester]

Whoops, missed that this was answered!

Interestingly, I was playing (not dming- very rare) in a 'pick up' game tonight, and we had this come up. The dm said one save ends both and I took his word for it.

But where does it specify? Have I just overlooked the blindingly obvious somewhere?

Edit: Although Donatello's reasoning seems perfectly sound, on reflection. Never mind. It prolly doesn't really need to be spelled out, per se; each "save ends" clause is one saving throw.

 

[baberg]

I asked the same thing on the Gleemax boards back when 4e was first released. "Save ends both" means that both effects are handled with a single saving throw. User "jeff0" had a convincing argument referencing both the PHB examples and the MM entry used in that example.

Here's the forum post: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1043710