Scarred Lands Forsaken Elves; their Nameless God

Thanks for answering my question Trickstergod & Nightfall. Much appreciated.

Is Faithful & Forsaken like the Wise & Wicked book that came out earlier this year? (i.e. full of NPCs - the 'movers & shakers' of the world as it were). I liked W&W as far as it went but was hoping it would be more along the lines of Denizens of Freeport - that is one hell of a useful product. if you don't own it - buy it! Now! ;)

Oh and buy all of the SL books too :D
 

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Holy Bovine said:
Thanks for answering my question Trickstergod & Nightfall. Much appreciated.

Is Faithful & Forsaken like the Wise & Wicked book that came out earlier this year? (i.e. full of NPCs - the 'movers & shakers' of the world as it were). I liked W&W as far as it went but was hoping it would be more along the lines of Denizens of Freeport - that is one hell of a useful product. if you don't own it - buy it! Now! ;)

Oh and buy all of the SL books too :D
Yes buy all the books, especially the Player's Guide to Rangers and Rogues! :)

I'm also glad to inform and dispense useful SL info where possible.

I can't honestly say Bov. My understanding is that is probably much like the other regional sourcebooks with more focus on the two races and the regions they control. That's all I'm sure of. I doubt it's like Wise and the Wicked.

I will also say look for these other books:

Blood Sea: Crimson Abyss - A very fascinating look at not just the Blood Sea as a body but as a place, an ecology and dare I say, a source of power! :D

Echoes of the Past: Slacerian Legacy - A deep look into not just what is known about the Slacerians but also their ruins, places of power and even possible new powers!

Edge of Infinity - Not just another manual of the planes, but a way of looking at the places beyond Scarn through both arcane, divine and even normal adventuring people's eyes. Indeed you might find that where one might expect the same thing in one part of the plane might be VERY different for someone else!

Just some tidbits for 2004 folks.

Oh yeah, CC4 and RR3 as well. :)
 
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JoeGKushner said:
Ah, but ignoring the novels and that one game book (see, it's already started!) are fine if that's where it ends. However, it's unlikely that will be the case unless the fiction either A)Details past events, B)Details small events. Depending on how much support Termania sees, that one book's effect and reference may become harder and harder to ignore. Me? I'm not too upset by it, but it did put a huge dent in my appreciation for the Scarred Lands as a stable setting.

Actually, we're pretty much all about options.

In the Scarred Lands Campaign Setting: Termana, we detailed the Forsaken Elf nations with the assumption that Jandaevos was to remain dead and Unnamed.

In the Faithful & the Forsaken, we decided that since we were telling the whole story of the Forsaken Elves, we thought we should include what they look like once they are no longer Forsaken. This is carefully stated as an option only, and not the assumption behind which future books are written.

In fact, I just edited a book today whose contents may have something to do with the Forsaken Elf nations, and the author (as per my outline) writes it from the assumption that Jandaevos has not, in fact, returned. She then includes a sidebar on what to do if the campaign did include the return of Jandaevos.

Options. Frankly, we have too many cool ideas for where the Scarred Lands can go to not hand them over to you guys. But, because I hate having someone else's plot forced on me, I'll be damned if I force mine onto someone else.
 

Thanks for the support Joe.

Btw don't suppose you can slide in something about Edge of Infinity as it relates to Jandaveos? ;)
 

aurance said:
People could have said this about the Forgotten Realms when there were relatively few novels about it too. But as more novels are written about the Scarred Lands, the more difficult it will be for a DM to ignore them. I wouldn't put the Scarred Lands' merits in this regard on a pedestal above other settings just yet.

Edit: Just realized I completely echoed Joe's words.

And as someone whose collection of D&D books is primarily made up of Scarred Lands stuff (Come to think of it, I'm fairly certain I own all the hardcovers, if not all the softcovers)...

I'm with you and Joe G, to a degree.

Between the well-integrated pantheon and religion that actually seemed integral to the setting, the gritty image of a world just recovering from catastrophe where the future still might be an uncertain thing, and the wounds left behind, such as with the dead god of the elves and the people who were likely soon to follow with him...well, I liked the Scarred Lands quite a bit, and still do.

But that's been dissipating, in part due to things like the Forsaken trilogy's resurrection of Jandaveos, and furthermore by Nightfall's little run down of the books themselves. So long as there's still a world to flesh out and detail, metaplot doesn't strike me as a necessity, which is essentially what the novels were. Metaplot. Which, while it thankfully doesn't seem to be having too strong of an impact on the setting its self, even putting down so much as sidebars means there's some of an effect.

Not to mention that either eventually the option of a resurrected god will become a standard fact in later books

or

It will remain little more than a sidebar here and there, an option, in which case, one has to ask, what point did the novels serve anyway? Why go with that story if its contents were going to be almost entirely ignored?

Again, I'm essentially with Joe G here. I think detailing the death of Jandaveos would have made for a more interesting series of novels.

Furthermore, I think had Faithful and the Forsaken detailed a "What if?" section on the gods resurrection, taking it from the viewpoint of PC's trying to bring back the forsaken elf god and what might happen if they succeed would have made for a stronger, more compelling presentation of the gods potential resurrection, instead of offering up some sidebar option about some NPC bringing back the deity.

It's also interesting that the Forgotten Realms is brought up; more and more it seems to me that the Scarred Lands is starting to follow in its path. While the Scarred Lands setting has always had aspects of other settings to it, it seems to be emulating them a bit more with every book or preview of things to come.

Anyway, in regards to novels in general, I brought this up when the Forsaken elf trilogy's ending was originally discussed, but, it seems pertinent to this conversation as well, so I'll bring it up again.

The Dragonlance novels were good. Excellent. I truly enjoyed them. However, for me at least, they helped kill the setting as a place to role-play. Everything felt done, and this was even before the 5th Age stuff. The epic nature made everything seem small and unimportant in comparison. There was nothing that could hope to top the events.

In comparison, I truly enjoyed the Ravenloft novel Vampire of the Mists. Which by no means diminished my desire to play in the setting. If anything, it inspired me to play in the setting. The events mattered, but the story wasn't so world-shattering that it would affect a game any. The novel wasn't intrusive, even if a DM intended on it being entirely canon within a game.

Which is how novels should be. Non-intrusive. Because if the world-altering events in the novel aren't going to be actually used in the books....well, what's the point? And if they are going to be used in the books, a point is reached where the DM either has to use the novel events, or just stop bothering to buy the books because they're no longer useful anyway.

Eh. Rant, rant, ramble rave. I may have lost my point somewhere along the way. But there you have...this.

I suppose I'll just leave with a "You're welcome" to Holy Bovine. I do try to be helpful.
 

Just a little tid-bit for SL fans on something I've been hearing a lot of questions about.

Blood Sea has a map that finally shows the geographic relationship between Ghelspad and Termana. I don't have it in front of me now, but Ghelspad would just about fit into Kadum's Bight if you took out the Eternal Isle.

Cheers - Ed
 

Trick,

I'm not sure that's true SL is emulating FR. For one thing we don't have mega NPCs running around. One time players do not upset the apple cart in my opinion. As for the novels they are just a way of exploring the world. Not necessarily meaning they have to be anything other than one time experiment much like Wilderness and Wastelands.
 

Okay, I can see both sides' points on this, but this argument is getting a little silly. After playing for 15 years in the Realms and being recently converted to SL, I can honestly say that they are nothing alike and have little chance of becoming similar. Apart from the flavor, difference in NPCs, history and magic use, the creators of this world have absolutely nothing in common with Big Ed.

That said, I agree with the points on meta plot. If you don't like the direction a plot takes, but it changes the material for the world you love, then you are kind of screwed. However, if has been claimed by the developers that any meta plot development will be left as optional. So the argument that "it sucks even if they include it at all, even if it's only optional" is just sour grapes. If you don't like the world, just say so, and stop posting in forums dedicated to Scarn or SS products related to it.

After 22 years of gaming, Scarn is the first setting I've been excited about since the gray FR box came out. Keep up the awesome work! And feel free to bring in the WoD team to add a little darker flavor where called for.
 

Phoenix_Knightwind said:
lots of stuff I agree with

Just the obilgatory 'me too' post. I haven't noticed any 'metaplot creep' in any of the SL books I have (that amounts to all the hardcovers except CC Revised & CC 3 and all the softcovers up to about 3 months ago). If the authors are even going to the extreme of putting 'meta plot' stuff in only as sidebars I think that there is really very little to worry about.

Make mine Scarred Lands!! :)
 


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